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Call Me Apple Vice Captain
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 Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:40 pm
I thought the Kaaba was thought to have been built by Ahraham.
But someone said i was wrong, and it was built for a Pagan moon god(dess)...Which is right? ><
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:27 pm
Call Me Apple I thought the Kaaba was thought to have been built by Ahraham. But someone said i was wrong, and it was built for a Pagan moon god(dess)...Which is right? >< Actually, the foundation was built by S. Adam AS, and the building itself was built by S. Ibrahim AS and his eldest son S. Ismail AS. The "pagan moon god" claim is anti-Islamic propaganda propagated by some very misguided, irrational, very islamophobic Christian fundamentalists (definitely not all, but a small "Jack Chick"-groupie minority) who accuse Islam of being non-Abrahamic and (Arabian) pagan in origin. I think they see the Ottoman flag and assume that it is a religious symbol of Islam, while ironically it was a symbol of Christian Constantinople, and was adopted by the Osmanli when they moved the capital there. Islam has no particular symbols, and if it did, the Shahadah can be considered so. لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول اللهHere is a fun interesting fact: The above statement in Arabic does not have a single dotted (modified) letter smile
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Call Me Apple Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:19 pm
Kimyanji Call Me Apple I thought the Kaaba was thought to have been built by Ahraham. But someone said i was wrong, and it was built for a Pagan moon god(dess)...Which is right? >< Actually, the foundation was built by S. Adam AS, and the building itself was built by S. Ibrahim AS and his eldest son S. Ismail AS. The "pagan moon god" claim is anti-Islamic propaganda propagated by some very misguided, irrational, very islamophobic Christian fundamentalists (definitely not all, but a small "Jack Chick"-groupie minority) who accuse Islam of being non-Abrahamic and (Arabian) pagan in origin. I think they see the Ottoman flag and assume that it is a religious symbol of Islam, while ironically it was a symbol of Christian Constantinople, and was adopted by the Osmanli when they moved the capital there. Islam has no particular symbols, and if it did, the Shahadah can be considered so. لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول اللهHere is a fun interesting fact: The above statement in Arabic does not have a single dotted (modified) letter smile Ah, i never thought that they would connect the crescent moon & star to a Pagan God(des) xD That is a good point. Thanks so much for the detailed answer brother xd
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:36 pm
Call Me Apple Kimyanji Call Me Apple I thought the Kaaba was thought to have been built by Ahraham. But someone said i was wrong, and it was built for a Pagan moon god(dess)...Which is right? >< Actually, the foundation was built by S. Adam AS, and the building itself was built by S. Ibrahim AS and his eldest son S. Ismail AS. The "pagan moon god" claim is anti-Islamic propaganda propagated by some very misguided, irrational, very islamophobic Christian fundamentalists (definitely not all, but a small "Jack Chick"-groupie minority) who accuse Islam of being non-Abrahamic and (Arabian) pagan in origin. I think they see the Ottoman flag and assume that it is a religious symbol of Islam, while ironically it was a symbol of Christian Constantinople, and was adopted by the Osmanli when they moved the capital there. Islam has no particular symbols, and if it did, the Shahadah can be considered so. لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول اللهHere is a fun interesting fact: The above statement in Arabic does not have a single dotted (modified) letter smile Ah, i never thought that they would connect the crescent moon & star to a Pagan God(des) xD That is a good point. Thanks so much for the detailed answer brother xd No problem sis! smile I even ran into the opinion that the symbol is derived from the lunar calender. I personally highly doubt that hypothesis is right. This reminds me that some of those mentioned earlier claim that "Allah" is not the same "God" recognized by Jews and Christians and is a "moon god". Ironically, as you might already know, "Allah" is the proper name for God in Arabic as recognized by Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians. I have read the Arabic Christian Bible, and have heard Arabic recitations of the Torah (recited by Yemenite Jews) using none other than the word "Allah" الله to refer to the Almighty s.w.t.
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:12 am
Ah, this is intersting. I heard claims that Allah was originally a Babylonian god in a ploytheistic system. It was said that it became the only god with the rise of Judaism. I'm not really sure what to think of that theory.
With the Kabaa, I read somewhere that when the Prophet (pbuh) came to Mecca, he smashed all of the pagan idols in the Kabaa to bring it back to the faith of Abraham.
Are any of these tales valid?
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:32 am
RubyLight Ah, this is intersting. I heard claims that Allah was originally a Babylonian god in a ploytheistic system. It was said that it became the only god with the rise of Judaism. I'm not really sure what to think of that theory. With the Kabaa, I read somewhere that when the Prophet (pbuh) came to Mecca, he smashed all of the pagan idols in the Kabaa to bring it back to the faith of Abraham. Are any of these tales valid? I don't know much about the first one. I know that many societies, such as that in Makka's Quraish (and possibly in Babylon as well) worshiped Allâh, but also other deities at the same time. The second case on the other hand is a historic fact. After the idols in and around the Ka`bah were smashed, it was the last time idols resided there. The main message of Islam is to worship Allâh swt alone, as in the message of Sayyidnä 'Ibrähïm as.
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:05 am
Kimyanji RubyLight Ah, this is intersting. I heard claims that Allah was originally a Babylonian god in a ploytheistic system. It was said that it became the only god with the rise of Judaism. I'm not really sure what to think of that theory. With the Kabaa, I read somewhere that when the Prophet (pbuh) came to Mecca, he smashed all of the pagan idols in the Kabaa to bring it back to the faith of Abraham. Are any of these tales valid? I don't know much about the first one. I know that many societies, such as that in Makka's Quraish (and possibly in Babylon as well) worshiped Allâh, but also other deities at the same time. The second case on the other hand is a historic fact. After the idols in and around the Ka`bah were smashed, it was the last time idols resided there. The main message of Islam is to worship Allâh swt alone, as in the message of Sayyidnä 'Ibrähïm as. Thank you, I thought the second one was true. I would like to look more into the other one. I never heard of the Makka's Quaish.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:23 pm
Well i understand what you are saying and isn't it true that Abraham built it, but the disbelievers put their pagan gods and idols there and used it as a place of worship...
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:04 pm
RubyLight Kimyanji RubyLight Ah, this is intersting. I heard claims that Allah was originally a Babylonian god in a ploytheistic system. It was said that it became the only god with the rise of Judaism. I'm not really sure what to think of that theory. With the Kabaa, I read somewhere that when the Prophet (pbuh) came to Mecca, he smashed all of the pagan idols in the Kabaa to bring it back to the faith of Abraham. Are any of these tales valid? I don't know much about the first one. I know that many societies, such as that in Makka's Quraish (and possibly in Babylon as well) worshiped Allâh, but also other deities at the same time. The second case on the other hand is a historic fact. After the idols in and around the Ka`bah were smashed, it was the last time idols resided there. The main message of Islam is to worship Allâh swt alone, as in the message of Sayyidnä 'Ibrähïm as. Thank you, I thought the second one was true. I would like to look more into the other one. I never heard of the Makka's Quaish. Aye! Quraysh is the name of the dominant tribe in Makkah, who the Prophet Muhammad PBUH is a member of. There is a whole (but very short) Sürah in the Qur'än called "Sürat Quraysh" (Sürah No. 106). It is very short (only 4 verses). The Qurashis had 2 annual commerce-related journeys: To the Levant in the North during the summer, and to Yemen in the South during the winter. Also, Qur'änic Arabic is mostly in the dialect of Quraysh, which was possibly the most popular dialect in Arabia. There are still some people who bare the last names Qurashï, Qurayshi, and Al-Qurashi (are the variations I've seen).
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:05 pm
Arisu-Rin Well i understand what you are saying and isn't it true that Abraham built it, but the disbelievers put their pagan gods and idols there and used it as a place of worship... Basically, that's the gist of it. smile
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