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 Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:07 pm
They are people too, and in the Qu'ran it says everyone is equal. So why should they be any different? I think I saw a gay guy at my mosque today, not sure.
So anyways, do you like them, don't care, hate them? Do you think being gay is wrong?
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:33 pm
Honestly I am not really against it...My some of my friends are bi or gay and it doesn't bother me much...I know it is against Islam though...but still we all are equals...
It doesn't matter which sex you are attracted to, to me...
I am straight though... in case you were wondering...
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:41 pm
My personal feelings are that I am not bothered by it.
I believe in personal freedoms, and freedom to love who you want regardless of race or gender is one of them. My mother in law is a lesbian, and she's a great person, a great mother <3
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:28 pm
Personally I don't mind about homosexuality. Be what you want, but then remember that Allah already create us with minds to think. It is a human weakness, but I know I can't tell them not to do this or that.
But if they start bothering me, like harassment, that is when I am annoyed. -_-
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:32 am
I know this: same-sex attraction is not addressed much in Islam. The general idea is that the self/soul ( nafs) has urges and tendencies. We are not held accountable for our whims and urges, but if we act on urges that go against the law (sharï`ah) of Islam. Qur'än 79:40-41 Sürat An-Näzi`ät
وَأَمَّا مَنْ خَافَ مَقَامَ رَبِّهِ وَنَهَى النَّفْسَ عَنِ الْهَوَى 79:40
79:40 (Asad) But unto him who shall have stood in fear of his Sustainer's Presence, and held back his inner self from base desires,
79:40 (Y. Ali) And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's (tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires,
79:40 (Picktall) But as for him who feared to stand before his Lord and restrained his soul from lust,
فَإِنَّ الْجَنَّةَ هِيَ الْمَأْوَى 79:41
79:41 (Asad) paradise will truly be the goal!
79:41 (Y. Ali) Their abode will be the Garden.
79:41 (Picktall) Lo! the Garden will be his home.However, sodomy particularly is a grave sin ( kabïrah) per Qur'än and Sunnah. It is important to remember however, that this is particularly against Islam. That is, homosexual behavior among non-Muslims is similar to say alcohol consumption: it's forbidden for Muslims, but not for others. Even if a Muslim practices homosexuality, it is none of my business. However, one thing I cannot tolerate is trying to consolidate it as being acceptable in Islam. Nonetheless, I personally think it's sad and ironic that the issue of homosexuality is taking the spotlight while more serious issues (alcohol and drug abuse, for example) often go almost completely undressed. I don't remember hearing about homosexuality causing car accidents as many as those influenced by alcohol. I remember a ħadïth: the Prophet Muħammad PBUH was asked, "Could a believer steal?" He says "Yes." "Could a believer commit adultery/fornication?" "Yes." "Could a believer lie?" "No." So, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters: lying and bearing false witness are worse than adultery/fornication or theft. So easy to do, and yet so much more damage is caused by lying.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:30 am
I can say Islam forbids homosexuality b/c Prophet Lot pbuh tried to guide the people from that but they turned on him pbuh:
Al-A'raf - 7:80
And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns)? (Al-A'raf 7:80)
The people who Lout pbuh was sent to not only practiced homosexuality, they murdered and cheated others out of money and property, they did all this w/o shame. They commited all these acts w/o shame, in the open where everyone could witness it. They promoted these acts of evil. In Islam, shame is the awareness of the fear of Allah when the person is committing a wrong act. B/c they had no shame of commiting sins, defied Lout pbuh and turned away from Allah SWT, Allah SWT dealt them a most horrible punishment.
I dont hate the person, I hate their lifestyle.
I personally dont hate the people who are homosexual and I will give them rights like if they were my neighbors and needed some food, I would give them food. I would them treat with respect b/c I would want to be treated with respect. Also I avoid wishing bad judgement upon them b/c Allah SWT could easily put me in their shoes, or change their hearts where they stop being homosexuals and revert to Islam.
Muslims are suppose to thrive to enjoin the good and forbid the evil--in this case is the evil of homosexuality, not the people who promote this lifestyle. How can we (the Muslims) enjoin the good by killing, harming or abusing the homosexuals, its much better if we firmly draw the line at their lifestyle and be respectful and kind to them as our fellow human beings b/c Allah SWT is the best of Judges and the Best of Planners.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:03 am
they said it is noy allowed ..its haram...
i think they __-..
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:53 pm
My view: I despise such acts as they are both Islamically forbidden and scientifically unnatural. As per my knowledge, no animal (excluding hermaphrodites and humans are not hermaphrodites) is attracted to another of its own sex, nor do they practise illegal sexual acts such as sodomy. Humans, being higher than all other animals and having the ability to differentiate between right and wrong, would commit something like that? They are much worse than animals! How can you then justify homosexuality? Qur'anic view: Surah Al-A'raf 80. And (remember) Lut (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinn)? 81. "Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)." 82. And the answer of his people was only that they said: "Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!" 83. Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment). 84. And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists and sinners). Surah Hud 77. And when our messengers came to Lut (Lot), he was grieved on account for them (lest the town people should approach them to commit sodomy with them). He said: "This is a distressful day." 78. And his people came rushing towards him, and since aforetime they used to commit crimes (sodomy), he said: "O my people! Here are my daughters (i.e. women of the nation), they are purer for you (if you marry them lawfully). So fear Allah and degrace me not with regard to my guests! Is there not among you a single right-minded man?" 79. They said: "Surely you know that we have neither any desire nor need of your daughters, and indeed you know well what we want!" 80. He said: "Would that I had strength (men) to overpower you, or that I could betake myself to some powerful support (to resist you)." 81. They (messengers) said: "O Lut (Lot)! Verily, we are the messengers from you Lord! The shall not reach you!* So travel with your family in a part of the night, and let not any of you look back; but your wife (will remain behind), verily, the punishment which will afflict them, will afflict her. Indeed, morning is their appointed time. Is not the morning near?" 82. So when Our Commandment came, We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down, and rained on them stones of baked clay, in a well-arranged manner one after another. 83. Marked from your Lord; and they are not ever far from the Zalimun (polytheists, evil-doers). The same story is said again in Surah Al-Hijr 15:59-77. It is also mentioned in 15:76 the location: "And verily! They (the cities) were right on the highroad (from Makkah to Syria i.e. the place where the Dead Sea is now)."** Surah Al-'Ankabut 28. And (remember) Lut (Lot), when he said to his people: "You commit Al-Fahishah (sodomy — the worst sin) which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinn)." 29. "Verily, you practise sodomy, and rob the wayfarer (travellers)! And practise Al-Munkar (disbelief and polytheism and every kind of evil wicked deed) in your meetings." But his people gave no answer except that they said: "Bring Allah's Torment upon us if you are one of the truthful." The peple of Lut (AS) lacked shame, allowing them to do all these kinds of evil deeds. *Surah Al-Qamar 33. The people of Lut (Lot) belied the warnings. 34. Verily, We sent against them a violent storm of stones (which destroyed them all), except the family of Lut (Lot), them We saved in the last hour of the night, 35. As a Favour from Us. Thus do We reward him who gives thanks (by obeying Us). 36. And he [Lut (Lot)] indeed had warned them of Our Seizure (punishment), but they did doubt the warnings! 37. And they indeed sought shame to his guest (by asking to commit sodomy with them). So We blinded their eyes, (saying) "Then taste you My Torment and My Warnings." 38. And verily, an abiding torment seized them early in the morning. 39. "Then taste you My Torment and My Warnings." **Referring from the Book of History by Ibn Kathir (كتاب الاريخ لابن كثير). Hope you get what I'm trying to say. smile
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:10 pm
Wow this is a lot more civilized, then when it came up in another guild. Kudos! heart
I have no issue with homosexuals or bisexuals. My best friend is a bisexual male. I know Islam commonly draws on the people of Lut, however in that case I think it was the combination of all their other crimes. I consider homosexuality/bisexuality strictly as perverted lust disgusting and gives good people of these orientations a bad reputation. I respect all oppinions of this subject, however for those who are truely hateful of other sexual orientations: I hope they keep in mind that only Allah can judge.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:33 pm
RubyLight Wow this is a lot more civilized, then when it came up in another guild. Kudos! heart I have no issue with homosexuals or bisexuals. My best friend is a bisexual male. I know Islam commonly draws on the people of Lut, however in that case I think it was the combination of all their other crimes. I consider homosexuality/bisexuality strictly as perverted lust disgusting and gives good people of these orientations a bad reputation. I respect all oppinions of this subject, however for those who are truely hateful of other sexual orientations: I hope they keep in mind that only Allah can judge. Of course, this is. This is how dialog should be.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:43 pm
i have a question. i had heard somewhere that there is a sect of Muslims who believe that Homosexuality is only meant as sinfull as far as a**l sex goes. is there any verse in the Qu'ran that disproves this?
also, to Hell-Rider, i want to say a few things.
number 1.) humans are NOT higher than animals in any way. humans are animals. we are equal to animals. it is rediculous, arrogant, ignorant and completely stupid to think that we have a higher intelligence or more creativity, or are somehow more aware or better than non-human animals.
number 2.) homosexuality is NOT unnatural, there has even been the discovery of what gene dictates sexuality. also, there are PLENTY of cases of animals having sex with members of the same gender. thee has even arose the theory that ALL animals (humans included) are technically bisexual. the sex-drive at a certain point might eventually stop caring one way or another depnding on if the preffered gender match is nowhere to be found (a good theory as to why men in jail often become gay).
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:53 pm
This is one of the reasons why I frown a lot upon abrahamic religions.
One's sexual attraction shouldn't be opposed by religion. I don't mind if you say that they can't be married in front of god, because your definition of marriage is yours to make.
However, one's feelings and emotions should never be a reason to shun them. Ever.
The practices on sexual intercourse are also very fuzzy in my worldview, since in many religions intercourse is defined as vaginal penetration with the intent to procreate.
The bans on sodomy are what I'd qualify as a archaic relic of a time where hygiene and protection weren't what they are today and I understand why the prophets would advise their followers to abstain from it.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:25 pm
i know that myself, even though i am bisexual, i dislike a**l sex anyway... >.> it's just gross... but yeah...
the definition that people have of sex, being that in Christianity for example that it only counts in the form of vaginal penetration, has become a problem for me based on it's principles. because while in one case they are trying to call homosexuality evil (and make it considered illegal, which is a clear violation of the sepparation between church and state >.> ) while on the other they try to say that homosexual rape doesn't count! and that bothers me personally because I HAVE BEEN RAPED! TWICE! i dare any of those uptight old men to take it up the a** and say that they don't feel degraded or pridesore, or that it is any different from when a woman is raped. it's ******** bullshit... stressed not to mention hypocracy! if it doesn't count in our defence why should it count against us! and for pride's sake i'd hav eit count both ways rather than not be counted either way!
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:53 pm
Chieftain Twilight i know that myself, even though i am bisexual, i dislike a**l sex anyway... >.> it's just gross... but yeah... the definition that people have of sex, being that in Christianity for example that it only counts in the form of vaginal penetration, has become a problem for me based on it's principles. because while in one case they are trying to call homosexuality evil (and make it considered illegal, which is a clear violation of the sepparation between church and state >.> ) while on the other they try to say that homosexual rape doesn't count! and that bothers me personally because I HAVE BEEN RAPED! TWICE! i dare any of those uptight old men to take it up the a** and say that they don't feel degraded or pridesore, or that it is any different from when a woman is raped. it's ******** bullshit... stressed not to mention hypocracy! if it doesn't count in our defence why should it count against us! and for pride's sake i'd hav eit count both ways rather than not be counted either way! I agree with you. As Muslims, and people, we should not judge one another based off your sexuality. And I'm really sorry you were raped.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:36 am
waiting dear Chieftain Twilight i know that myself, even though i am bisexual, i dislike a**l sex anyway... >.> it's just gross... but yeah... the definition that people have of sex, being that in Christianity for example that it only counts in the form of vaginal penetration, has become a problem for me based on it's principles. because while in one case they are trying to call homosexuality evil (and make it considered illegal, which is a clear violation of the sepparation between church and state >.> ) while on the other they try to say that homosexual rape doesn't count! and that bothers me personally because I HAVE BEEN RAPED! TWICE! i dare any of those uptight old men to take it up the a** and say that they don't feel degraded or pridesore, or that it is any different from when a woman is raped. it's ******** bullshit... stressed not to mention hypocracy! if it doesn't count in our defence why should it count against us! and for pride's sake i'd hav eit count both ways rather than not be counted either way! I agree with you. As Muslims, and people, we should not judge one another based off your sexuality. And I'm really sorry you were raped. thank you dear, though realy no need... i'm still aliv etoday right? i never let it keep me down. but yeah, it certainly wans't a happy moment in my life... >.> anyway, i think most Godloving people would agree that it isn't up to us mortals to judge harshly. Jehovah/Allah has his Seraphim for that, doesn't he?
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