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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:42 am
A long long time ago, if you wanted to purchase anime/manga you'd have to trek to geek-infested sci-fi/comic book shops to buy extortionate, crudely subbed VHS cassettes and, if you wanted to watch anime on television, your only chance was to stay awake until outrageous hours of the morning awaiting 18+ rated, crudely subbed gore, or otherwise record it onto VHS cassettes.
In the wonderful year of 2008, the Internet allows us to import anime/manga from all around the world. Whereas most Japanese media had to be mail-ordered in the deep, dark past, nowadays we can order almost any title in seconds with the click of a single button. The growing popularity of the anime/manga industry alongside the advances of technology have allowed us access to limitless products at mind-numbingly low prices. The Internet makes it easier than ever for anime/manga fans to enjoy their passion.
Furthermore, the Internet allows us to explore the world of anime and manga, to discover new series and research the ones we're interested in. Websites like Wikipedia and ANN grand us access to vast databases where we can read detailed summaries of series before we even decide to buy them, and also help us discover new series that originally only travelled through advertising and word-of-mouth. Forums like Gaia help us to communicate with other fans, allowing us to indulge in discussions about certain series and pick up recommendations that some people simply wouldn't find outside the online community.
However, the Internet comes with a few debatable negatives as well. As easy as it is to purchase cheap anime/manga online, some people find it even easier to steal their favourite series via torrent downloads, video streaming websites and fanlations. Some fans argue that they simply use this method to "try before they buy", particularly the younger fans who want to spend their pocket money wisely. But what happens to the series they deem unworthy of their cash? Does trying before buying really balance out?
Then, of course, we have the more dishonest fans whose entire history of watching and reading anime/manga can be traced to what they've downloaded. Many of them have full time jobs, but apparently can't find the funds to finance their fandom. Are people like this crippling the anime/manga industry? Is it unfair to other fans? Does stealing anime and manga actually make a difference to anyone?
Feel free to express your own opinions on how the Internet affects the anime/manga industry, or involve yourselves in a friendly debate.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:15 am
Cheremy LeBeau
Then, of course, we have the more dishonest fans whose entire history of watching and reading anime/manga can be traced to what they've downloaded. Many of them have full time jobs, but apparently can't find the funds to finance their fandom. Are people like this crippling the anime/manga industry? Is it unfair to other fans? Does stealing anime and manga actually make a difference to anyone? These types are what irritate me, the ones that have a job but refuse to buy at all because "they have no money" and what money they do have absolutely has to go to other things (IE, other means of entertainment). That's honestly no excuse. It sounds harsh, yes, but breaking the law is breaking the law, there's no gray area. I'm not saying you have to go out and buy everything you've ever watched or read, but not all of that money HAS to go to other entertainment, of course.
Take me instance, I don't even have a job, but look on my bookcase, you'll see almost a full shelf of DVDs, and about 4 full of manga. I don't even have a job, yet somehow, I've managed to collect all of this, while others that do have jobs, complain about how impossible it is to buy just a single manga.
It's like the first paragraph said, it's really cheap compared to what it used to be! I remember those days (only barely, mind you xD; ) when the VHS were priced so sky-high for only 2 episodes, I can't understand why people can't get the fact that it's no where near as exspensive as it used to be, they claim that the DVDs and boxed sets are really exspensive, in all honesty, they aren't. Like, an average boxed set costs around $45 these days (there are exceptions, of course), now, that's a little over the price of two brand new released DVDs, yet somehow, buying those two new DVDs is somehow cheaper, yet, if you went with that boxed set you wished you could have, you'd be getting a full TV series, instead of just two movies. It doesn't add up, in so many ways =/ And if you're going to say "I don't have $45!!!!" Well save it, it's not a huge amount to save to! If I can manage to have what I do and never touched foot in a work place, you could too (It's called gift money, and knowing how to look for deals :3 )
It bothers me how so many people know it's illegal, have the money to buy, and know good and well that the industry isn't doing well, yet they continue to download, because it's "not their problem". I find that a ridiculous excuse to cling to, especially when they love it so much, yet they won't even attempt to buy anything at all, just because someone put it on the net somewhere so they're going to watch it.
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Undignified Indiana Joans Crew
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:30 pm
I couldn't agree more. I'm totally with you alongside the other jobless students who somehow manage to pull their collections together. I could easily spend every penny I'm given on advancing my collection, but instead I find a balance by occasionally buying what I can afford. Anybody with money can use it wisely, and that may sometimes mean buying no anime/manga whatsover for a while. Like most people, I'd love to own more anime/manga, but I accept the fact that I can't own what I can't afford. It's ridiculous then that people in the same boat assume they deserve access the anime/manga that they can't afford. It's like stealing a car and using the excuse that you couldn't afford to buy one to somehow justify your crime. "I can't afford it" doesn't give anyone the right to rip something off. Who can argue with that? It's such a transparent excuse, because these people blatantly know they could afford it if they saved up.
Furthermore, we all know anime/manga are cheap as piss these days, but for those who reeeeaaaally want to skimp of costs, there's always eBay. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:38 pm
Cheremy LeBeau I couldn't agree more. I'm totally with you alongside the other jobless students who somehow manage to pull their collections together. I could easily spend every penny I'm given on advancing my collection, but instead I find a balance by occasionally buying what I can afford. Anybody with money can use it wisely, and that may sometimes mean buying no anime/manga whatsover for a while. Like most people, I'd love to own more anime/manga, but I accept the fact that I can't own what I can't afford. It's ridiculous then that people in the same boat assume they deserve access the anime/manga that they can't afford. It's like stealing a car and using the excuse that you couldn't afford to buy one to somehow justify your crime. "I can't afford it" doesn't give anyone the right to rip something off. Who can argue with that? It's such a transparent excuse, because these people blatantly know they could afford it if they saved up. Furthermore, we all know anime/manga are cheap as piss these days, but for those who reeeeaaaally want to skimp of costs, there's always eBay. 3nodding w00t!!! GO CHER!!! GO CHERR!!!!! -gets out pompoms and dances-
Yeah, I quote this entire thing for truth, but the hilighted parts are the ones that really kick-a**.
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Undignified Indiana Joans Crew
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:43 pm
People can't tell me they can't afford it, 'cause my collection is living proof they're lieing through their teeth.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:57 pm
As much as I would love to bash on down loaders, it wouldn't be the least bit fair for me to do so, seeing as how I've downloaded a bit myself. Now, before I start getting ripped on, allow me to explain my reasoning. I am employed and I bring home around $700/paycheck. But I still don't have enough money because I'm forking out all my money for myself and my girlfriend because she was forced to quit her job and now doesn't have any money to pay for her bills that she could easily afford when she was working. I only have enough money to pay bills, buy gas to get to and from work, and to get me enough food to barely last me through the two weeks until my next payday. However, whenever I do manage to have some spare money to use, more often then not, I'm splurging it on mangas. My collection is rather pathetic, but I'm still proud of the fact that I've been able to support the artists in even the small amount I'm able to. Basically, I'm a down loader, but as soon as I have money, I'm out there buying and putting money back into the system. I don't know if you still consider me to be horrible, but currently whenever I download, it's the newer series that haven't even been released on DVD in Japan, so there'd be no way to buy it even if I had the money to. -runs away- >.>
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:12 pm
The music and anime industries are in deep trouble. With the way the economy going and gas prices rising up most people try to skimp out on buying things. It's all about sales, finding cheaper places. Restaurants aren't as crowded, hookers aren't doing as well since no one wants to drive to...well you know. I'm guilty of reading manga illegally online, but I have parents who are incredibly strict when it comes to buying manga, still that's no excuse. I normally go to the book store and read right in front of the people.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:54 am
Wow, that's a pretty heated opinion. I happen to be one of those jobless students, but whenever I have money, I always try to do my part. I had seen Fullmetal Alchemist online and on TV, yet I still went out and bought the DVDs. The manga I read online isn't licensed in the US, but when it is, I'll be scrounging for pennies to purchase it. As for the series I deem unworthy of my cash? To tell the truth, I'm a little selfish about that. I'd rather check something out to make sure I like it, rather than buy it and decide that it's crap. I was taught to be tight with my money, and as much as I love the anime industry, I'm a little more concerned with my own pocketbook. Call me selfish. Call me a leech on the industry. But when it comes down to something like a blind purchase, count me out.
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:33 pm
Fansubs don't Kill the Industry Bootlegs are Killing the Industry
and I feel this way because I buy Legit DVDs and I watch fansubs
edit: because I was thinking to much when I posted.
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:48 pm
Well, I'm one of the try before you buy people. However, I fully plan on buying the shows I like - I just haven't een able to because until now, I haven't had a job. No, it doesn't really balance out, and trust me, it nags me all the time, which is one reason I'm loathe to be shown things. At this point and time, I really need to save money, so I can't go out and buy something I think looks promising - ask any of my friends, I refuse to buy an anime/manga unless I know how it ends. Because I can't afford to buy something unless I really, really like it. If I can I will borrow willy-nilly from my friends (sometimes I steal about a third of their manga collections at a time). But for me, my main issue is money. I don't like watching things online, and I prefer not to. The copyright industry really needs to crack down on it, but it would be nice if there was an official site where you could 'preview' manga/anime before you bought it - just like the first chapter/episode. But I can't see that happening any time soon, unfortunately.
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:29 pm
There are two things about this issue that really bother me.
One is the people who think that the industry is purposely trying to rip them off, and therefore see themselves as bringers of justice that are "sticking it to the man" by not buying anime. And when the industry dies because of this attitude, those who will really be screwed are the people who work or want to work in the industry. Like me.
The other thing that bugs me is when people act like "I don't have enough money to buy all of the anime I want to watch so I *have* to download it!"
...No. You are not going to die from lack of anime. I'm living proof that one series at a time can sustain a human being. I have no idea where this attitude of "I deserve to watch everything I want no matter what!" came from, but if people didn't have it they might be more productive in life and thus be able to buy more anime legally. A vicious cycle. XP
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:58 am
meGgi e s t A e R I a People can't tell me they can't afford it, 'cause my collection is living proof they're lieing through their teeth. Indeed it is, and I admire you muchly for that. I'm not going to justify my reading/watching anime/manga online, I'm just going to say I literally never have a cent to my name - I don't even get allowance. Though if Meggie is annoyed she could choose to be mean and yell at me to stop buying soda and save it for manga. >>; Which is true, but a single dollar is so far few and in between for me that it's ridiculous. In addition to the fact that I most often acquire them by mooching off my sister or my friends, specifically for the purpose because if I don't get caffine I'll fall asleep in class and get kicked out. Meggie dear frequently gets $100 dollars from her family - or well, moreso than most. I'm lucky if I get $5 every two months. So. When I get money, I will buy, but the fact of the matter is I am penniless the large majority of the time. I do admire you all and your money saving skills, but I was born without that particular gene. . .But I happen to have $10 atm, so I'm visiting the bookstore this week. : D
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Undignified Indiana Joans Crew
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:01 am
thestarthatshines meGgi e s t A e R I a People can't tell me they can't afford it, 'cause my collection is living proof they're lieing through their teeth. Indeed it is, and I admire you muchly for that. I'm not going to justify my reading/watching anime/manga online, I'm just going to say I literally never have a cent to my name - I don't even get allowance. Though if Meggie is annoyed she could choose to be mean and yell at me to stop buying soda and save it for manga. >>; Which is true, but a single dollar is so far few and in between for me that it's ridiculous. In addition to the fact that I most often acquire them by mooching off my sister or my friends, specifically for the purpose because if I don't get caffine I'll fall asleep in class and get kicked out. Meggie dear frequently gets $100 dollars from her family - or well, moreso than most. I'm lucky if I get $5 every two months. So. When I get money, I will buy, but the fact of the matter is I am penniless the large majority of the time. I do admire you all and your money saving skills, but I was born without that particular gene. . .But I happen to have $10 atm, so I'm visiting the bookstore this week. : D Hayhayyyy now! I only get $100 in the holidays!!!! The only reason I got some here recently was because of graduation!
Anyways. I wouldn't yell at you for buying soda with it anyways 'cause I know how hard it can be to stay awake D: Although, soda is a nasty habbit you need to break hon. <3
EDIT: you admire me? Aww ;; I looove you <3333
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:08 am
skribbelgrl As much as I would love to bash on down loaders, it wouldn't be the least bit fair for me to do so, seeing as how I've downloaded a bit myself. Now, before I start getting ripped on, allow me to explain my reasoning. I am employed and I bring home around $700/paycheck. But I still don't have enough money because I'm forking out all my money for myself and my girlfriend because she was forced to quit her job and now doesn't have any money to pay for her bills that she could easily afford when she was working. I only have enough money to pay bills, buy gas to get to and from work, and to get me enough food to barely last me through the two weeks until my next payday. However, whenever I do manage to have some spare money to use, more often then not, I'm splurging it on mangas. My collection is rather pathetic, but I'm still proud of the fact that I've been able to support the artists in even the small amount I'm able to. Basically, I'm a down loader, but as soon as I have money, I'm out there buying and putting money back into the system. I don't know if you still consider me to be horrible, but currently whenever I download, it's the newer series that haven't even been released on DVD in Japan, so there'd be no way to buy it even if I had the money to. -runs away- >.> Now, now there's no reason to run away xD. We may not agree with you downloading but we're not going to kill you <3 Besides, at least you're willing to admit that you know the truth, and that you're willing to buy it when you can! =] You have the right to be proud of supporting what you can.
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Undignified Indiana Joans Crew
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:12 am
Shezni Wow, that's a pretty heated opinion. I happen to be one of those jobless students, but whenever I have money, I always try to do my part. I had seen Fullmetal Alchemist online and on TV, yet I still went out and bought the DVDs. The manga I read online isn't licensed in the US, but when it is, I'll be scrounging for pennies to purchase it. As for the series I deem unworthy of my cash? To tell the truth, I'm a little selfish about that. I'd rather check something out to make sure I like it, rather than buy it and decide that it's crap. I was taught to be tight with my money, and as much as I love the anime industry, I'm a little more concerned with my own pocketbook. Call me selfish. Call me a leech on the industry. But when it comes down to something like a blind purchase, count me out. I don't really get where you're getting the 'heated opinion', if I must be honest, what about doing what's legal and what is not is heated?
Sorry, that sounds like I'm trying to start an argument, but I'm not, I swear. Being concerned with your pocketbook isn't a bad thing, like you said you're tight on money, and we've all been there at some point and time, to me, trying something out or sampling it online isn't as bad as just watching it always online because it's free and easy accessible.
So I'm not going to call you a leech or selfish, because you're not, you're supporting the industry whenever you can! :3
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