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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:22 am


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Ok hears the deal I have to get my two kitty’s Tom Tom and Crystle declawed I really have no chose in the matter it’s either that or sending them to the pound thing so don’t yell at me! Anyway id like to hear what ya'll think is declawing bad? If so then why? And if not is getting just there front paws declawed better? Or would it be better to just do them all? Please tell me what you think and why thanks ^^

oh and i might want to add these two are strictly indoor cats because yes I relies that makes a difference sweatdrop the main reason for the declawing though is younger children my mom watches

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:54 am


IMO if they are indoor outdoor cats its cruel they will not be able to defend themselves, if they are strictly an indoor animal while I think it controversial to other methods of keeping claws off of furniture and what not, it is of course an owners personal decision. A declawed paw is just as strong as a clawed paw but it is the claws which tend to let another animal or human for that matter know they mean business, Ive been tagged by both and the whack is just as powerful don't get me wrong but outdoors is alot different than an indoor environment. I am not an advocate for declawing any animal. I simply provide them many things to scratch on not my furniture. I have had great success with the cat n** filled cardboard scratch pads from Wal~mart, & the keep off spray.

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:31 pm


I think it's sort of cruel. Who really wants their fingernails REMOVED? Besides, even if they are strictly indoor kitties, they could still get out. And if they did, they would really have no way to defend themselves effectively. If it's really and issue, you could always trim the nails bi-weekly or something.
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:18 pm


Declawing can be both good and bad. If you cats get outside some how, they wouldn't be able to defent against other cats/animals.

It can also be good if you have a baby sister or a really fancy house.

Though, I think you cats would love to have their claws so the best idea would be geting their claws trimed or get little slip stuff to put on their claws.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:22 pm


im totally against declawing, but i understand if its the only way your parents will let you keep them or whatever.
my boyfriend's sister has a tiny furry old neurotic black cat with no front claws. she went missing one time for over a week. when they found her she was all kinds of beat up by other animals. she wasnt too badly beat up that they needed to take her to the vet, but im sure if she had her front claws she wouldnt have gotten beat up like she did. luckly she didnt come in contact with any cat-killing dogs b/c she wouldnt have been able to climb a tree or fence.
on another note: my siamese chews her nails in my bed and leaves little kitty claw pieces everywhere. its annoying when you get home at like midnight and just want to crash but theres cat nail clippings all over your bed. i wouldnt want it any other way though =^_^=
PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:59 pm


when i adopted my two cats, i had to sign a contract. one of the clauses in the contract says that i should not declaw them. personally, i feel claws are part of their cat-ness, and it would be cruel to declaw them.

another alternative you may have is to trim your cats' claws. after my cats' claws are freshly trimmed, they can't really claw on anything. and i know this because my girl cat, grumbles, has a temper and would not think twice about clawing me. when her nails are freshly trimmed, she would swipe at me with her paws but they won't hurt me at all.


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:39 am


Declawing is completely inhumane and I'm appalled that it is still a common practise in North America. It has been outlawed in many European countries because it is cruel and unnecessary.

It's done for human convenience, nothing more, and has no benefit to the cat.

Scratching is a natural and important part of cat behaviour - they use it to mark their territory, stretch their bodies and relieve stress. While clawing in inappropriate places can be destructive, cats can be trained to use a scratching post, and there are also great alternatives to declawing that don't involve permanently disfiguring your pets.

Declawing can cause permanent problems for your cat too.

It's an extremely painful procedure - calling it a declaw is misleading and downplays the seriousness of the operation. It is actually 10 separate amputations, where the entire first joint of the toe is amputated. The healing process is long and painful and painkillers are required for the healing process, though they are often of limited effectiveness.

Keep in mind that cats walk on their toes - could you imagine having to walk on your toes after having the first joint of every toe cut off? The pain would be unbearable.

Many declawed cats will avoid using the litterbox after the surgery. Getting litter into the incisions is very painful, and they come to associate the litterbox with pain.

Losing their main source of defence, many declawed cats also resort to biting and develop aggressive behaviour.

Declawed cats can also develop issues with their sense of balance, and can end up with back and hip problems because of the change in the way they distribute their weight on their paws.

Because declawed cats lack the ability to properly stretch out their paws, the tendons in the paws, which are normally stretched every time the claws are extended become extremely tight and shortened, resulting in chronic pain.

Claws can also start to grow back if the surgery was not performed properly, usually disfigured and possibly ingrown, which can cause pain and infections and be very costly and difficult to treat.

Doing the back paws in addition to the front paws is even more unnecessary and cruel. Cats don't scratch the furniture or rug with their back claws.

Please talk to your parents/landlord/whoever is making you do this, about trying alternatives before declawing. There are dozens of good reasons not to declaw. Compare that to the only reason why we would choose to declaw - human convenience, and I'm sure as a cat lover you can see what the right choice is. sad

Any responsible vet who cares about animal welfare and not just lining their pockets will educate you about the procedure (though I believe that any responsible vet would not declaw at all.)


Humane Declaw Alternatives

Scratching post
Cats will be attracted to and use a good scratching post. A good scratching post will be:
- Covered in sisal or another material that feels good to scratch
- Tall enough that the cat can stretch it's body out completely while scratching
- Firmly mounted so that it is sturdy and doesn't wobble or move when the cat is pulling on it.

Sticky Paws
http://www.stickypaws.com/
Sticky paws is simply a double-sided tape product that you can put on most surfaces. Cats don't like the feeling of adhesive on their paws and avoid touching the areas it is on.

Soft Paws
http://www.softpaws.com/
Soft Paws are little caps that go over your cats claws with glue.

Declawing resources - information about declawing & consequences

http://www.de-clawing.com/
http://declaw.lisaviolet.com/
http://www.declawing.com/
http://community-2.webtv.net/zuzu22/STOPDECLAWCOM/
http://www.pawproject.com/html/faqs.asp
http://www.petstation.com/declaw.html
http://www.declaw.org/
http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/declaw.html
http://www.declaw.com/
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:47 pm


I am absolutely against declawing cats. It's inhumane, and leaves the cat defenseless were it to be in a fight. Plus...imagine having your fingernails pulled out. Unless it is 100% necessary and there's no possible way around it, cats should not be declawed. mad

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:57 pm


Ariel Love~
on another note: my siamese chews her nails in my bed and leaves little kitty claw pieces everywhere. its annoying when you get home at like midnight and just want to crash but theres cat nail clippings all over your bed. i wouldnt want it any other way though =^_^=


hehe my kitty Mouse chews his nails on his back legs and leaves pieces everywhere. i'm glad it's not just my cat doing that. it's so loud, sometimes it startles me! haha blaugh

on the subject- if you parents say it's the only way then i guess go with it. never declaw all claws, though. only do the front. they can still climb trees if they get out with their back claws.
there's also the option of putting seals on the claws but then again if they get out there's no front claws to help the kitteh out. confused
talk with a vet about all available options then go from there! hope it all works out! 4laugh
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:48 pm


That's a horrible factor, your parents that is. If you parents say so, then all is done. Nothing you can really change about that, unless you can change their opinion. Very easily I shall say this: DECLAWING IS ANIMAL CRUELTY.

That's what I personaly think. Even if my cats were 100% indoor cats, OMG, still no way! Actually, I never even thought about declawing them.

Another problem about declawing, is if your cat is lost, there will be no way, I repeat NO WAY they can survive outdoors. Once their claws are gone, they cannot kill birds to eat, or climb trees.

(Which, by the way, I've pretty much gotten used to the fact that my cats kill birds. It's natural instinct to pounce and scratch. And at least they've stopped doing it so much. Kinda like how dogs have a natural instinct to knaw, bite, and eat gallons of food until they die.)

That's my input. Hehe.

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twilight100

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:29 pm


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well hears a bit of an update iv talked to my parents’ about it and after a ...heated debated lol they agreed to try clipping there claws first and only declawing if that doesn’t work we have to go threw with the declawing so I really hope it works dose anyone have advise on clipping cat claws if so please post it here thank you oh and by all means please continue talking about whether or not declawing should be done I’ll let you all know how my kitty’s do with clipped claws ^^

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:31 am


twilight100
well hears a bit of an update iv talked to my parents’ about it and after a ...heated debated lol they agreed to try clipping there claws first and only declawing if that doesn’t work we have to go threw with the declawing so I really hope it works dose anyone have advise on clipping cat claws if so please post it here thank you oh and by all means please continue talking about whether or not declawing should be done I’ll let you all know how my kitty’s do with clipped claws ^^


I'm sooo glad to hear that! Declawing is an extremely cruel and sickening practice and i think it should be outlawed in the U.S.!!!!!

I have to clip my cats nails because she is old and doesnt scratch them down. What you have to do is definately read the directions on the cat claw clippers. you have to be careful not to chop off the "quick" which is flesh in the inner back of the claw and you could cut it and hurt them. there is usually a picture so its pretty easy if there isn't a pic find instructions on the internet.
You will probably have to have someone help you distract your cat becuse it tends to annoy them. My mom feeds my cat ice cream (its ok she's underweight and can't get fat lol) while i clip. You could try there favourite cat treat or something else, you know what they like best. Hopefully you're cat will let you do it but i don't think many cats like to sit still for a manicure wink
If it doesn't work and you are absolutely desperate wrap them in a towel so they can breathe but its harder for them to bite/scratch or escape, have someone hold your cat down gently but firmly while you do it. It sounds harsh but compared to declawing its nothing. We had to do this when my cat got a big cut that had to be cleaned but she wouldn't let us. It upsets them but they get over it soon enough.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:27 am


i'm glad that y'all are exploring alternatives to declawing. i don't know much about trimming cats' nails myself, because it's the vet who does it. but i understand there's actually a special cat claw trimmer that you can get, because human nail cutters may not do the job properly. good luck, and i hope it works out ^^.
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:28 pm


Good job twilight!

There are two standard types of clippers:

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I have both types and both have their advantages, but I personally prefer the scissor style ones. Because they are smaller they're easier to handle and it's easier to see where on the claw you are cutting.

I do a lot of claw clipping at the Humane Society and some cats are really easy to do and some are really difficult.

For the easy ones, I just stick them on my lap (I sit on a chair or cross-legged on the floor) facing away from me, with all four paws out. I use my left arm to hold the cat in place and my left hand to hold the paw, then just quickly snip the tip of each claw. All you need to do is make sure you don't cut into the quick (the live part of the claw) as it will be painful and bleed. If your cats claws are clear or translucent, the quick is the pink part of the claw that looks like it has blood vessels in it.

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I do the front paws first and the back paws next.

For cats that are difficult, having someone to help you is probably the best, though with a bit of practise and determination you can probably do it yourself.

If the cat doesn't like having its paws touched, get them used to the idea by gently petting or touching their paws while you are cuddling or playing. Once they are used to the idea they may not immediately start struggling when you go to clip.

Some cats will scratch, kick, struggle, bite or try to climb you when you try and clip them. If you have a partner to help you, have them scruff the cat and hold any paws that you are not working on, so the cat doesn't injure you. Talk softly and praise the cat while you clip, and if they're getting really distressed, do what you can, let them take a break and finish later (some cats I work with will only let me clip one or two claws at a time.)

If you're doing it yourself, you might try a towel to restrain the cat. Just drape the towel over the cat so only the head is sticking out, then use your legs to hold the ends down. Pull out one paw at a time and clip, then put it back.


In addition to clipping, it's really important to give the cats an appropriate place to scratch, because they still need to scratch (they just won't destroy stuff as easily with clipped claws.) A sisal scratching post is a really good choice - just make sure it has a really sturdy base and is tall enough for your cat. I think I've seen them for $30 at Petsmart and you can probably find them cheaper elsewhere.

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My girls also have little carpet scratch pads scattered around the apartment, which they love. They were only about $3 each too. I got them at Walmart and it's basically a chunk of carpet on some felt backing with a rope through the top for the option of hanging on a door knob. Much like this only without the plastic on the ends.

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My cats know that that is their property and they only scratch their pads. I know if I didn't give them stuff they were allowed to scratch they'd rip up the carpet and furniture though.

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:38 pm


Poor kitties, it's sounds like your parents are considering declawing just for their convenience. Did you know that inconvenience to the owner is the # 1 reason why animals are surrendered at shelters. Why in God's name would you even get an animal if your just going to surrender it, because it's inconvenient. If your parents are afraid for the children... than there are many alternatives. As already mentioned trimming works very well. Or if it's for a short time like maybe an hour or so, I lock mine in the bedroom. He's ok with it and just chills on the bed, for longer periods of time though you will have to put their food bowls and cat litter in there.
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