Gothic Role Models (They Do Exist!)

[Xahmen]

Terry Pratchett isn't goth in the slightest.
What.  

[Keevan Draco]

true. terry Prattchet may not be "officially" goth, but the man has a wicked snarky way with words, and a cynicism to equal any goth who sees the world as it is. He's more like the grandfather closet goth that missed the heyday and now just sits on the porch dispensing the snark with a glass of iced tea.

but then again....neither were Walt Whitman, Hemmingway, Thoureau, Platt, Dickenson, and Hunter S. Thompson but many goths have read and were inspired by their words.  

[Poetic Witch]

I agree that they do after all take the Suicide Girls  

[MortSanglant]

Lol@all the people who actually take Zahmen's bait. Just lol.

Anyway, I have two things to say:

1. GRAMMAR

2. Razorcandi lololololololololol

P.S. I don't do role models.  

[Teriyaki Tsubaki]

Do Japanese "goth" role models count?  

[GilAskan]

Dieniera

I agree that they do after all take the Suicide Girls

The Suicide Girls are role models? Since when? They get paid money because they were born good looking. It doesn't take skill, dedication, discipline, or training to become a Suicide Girl- you just have to be born with a pert a** and nice tits and they'll slap some eyeliner on you and call you a Suicide Girl.

Furthermore, the alleged sexual empowerment of women that the website claims is primarily bullshit- they list themselves as "Women-owned and women operated," but the whole label and production was started by Sean Suhl (a man) who still is the sole owner of the property and the President of the company- making him in charge of all affairs. Likewise, the empowerment of "women controlling their own sexuality, making porn of themselves," is pretty much bullshit too- most of the photographers and art directors on the site are male and have control over the photoshoots, and these people (Sean Suhl especially) are known for their verbal abuse and misogyny. Sean Suhl, when asked about this abuse, didn't deny it, and said something to the effect of "I don't HAVE to treat them well. They're strippers, not Nobel Prize winners."

Suicide Girls is a pretty classic example of alternative subcultures being co-opted by mainstream commercial enterprise, and much worse, a classic example of a "feminist" endeavor that's run by misogynist men who know they can make money by spewing faux-feminist rhetoric in regards to their products.  

[Whisper Gently]

GilAskan

Dieniera

I agree that they do after all take the Suicide Girls

The Suicide Girls are role models? Since when? They get paid money because they were born good looking. It doesn't take skill, dedication, discipline, or training to become a Suicide Girl- you just have to be born with a pert a** and nice tits and they'll slap some eyeliner on you and call you a Suicide Girl.

Furthermore, the alleged sexual empowerment of women that the website claims is primarily bullshit- they list themselves as "Women-owned and women operated," but the whole label and production was started by Sean Suhl (a man) who still is the sole owner of the property and the President of the company- making him in charge of all affairs. Likewise, the empowerment of "women controlling their own sexuality, making porn of themselves," is pretty much bullshit too- most of the photographers and art directors on the site are male and have control over the photoshoots, and these people (Sean Suhl especially) are known for their verbal abuse and misogyny. Sean Suhl, when asked about this abuse, didn't deny it, and said something to the effect of "I don't HAVE to treat them well. They're strippers, not Nobel Prize winners."

Suicide Girls is a pretty classic example of alternative subcultures being co-opted by mainstream commercial enterprise, and much worse, a classic example of a "feminist" endeavor that's run by misogynist men who know they can make money by spewing faux-feminist rhetoric in regards to their products.

4laugh

 

[Megumi Selwyn]

I'm surprised she hasn't been brought up in this thread, but...what about Jillian Venters? Otherwise known as The Lady of Manners, of Gothic Charm School.

She writes a gothic advice blog, and wrote a book advocating good manners for goths. I think that she's a pretty reasonable role model.  

[Spooky Wasabi Princess]

GilAskan

Dieniera

I agree that they do after all take the Suicide Girls

The Suicide Girls are role models? Since when? They get paid money because they were born good looking. It doesn't take skill, dedication, discipline, or training to become a Suicide Girl- you just have to be born with a pert a** and nice tits and they'll slap some eyeliner on you and call you a Suicide Girl.

Furthermore, the alleged sexual empowerment of women that the website claims is primarily bullshit- they list themselves as "Women-owned and women operated," but the whole label and production was started by Sean Suhl (a man) who still is the sole owner of the property and the President of the company- making him in charge of all affairs. Likewise, the empowerment of "women controlling their own sexuality, making porn of themselves," is pretty much bullshit too- most of the photographers and art directors on the site are male and have control over the photoshoots, and these people (Sean Suhl especially) are known for their verbal abuse and misogyny. Sean Suhl, when asked about this abuse, didn't deny it, and said something to the effect of "I don't HAVE to treat them well. They're strippers, not Nobel Prize winners."

Suicide Girls is a pretty classic example of alternative subcultures being co-opted by mainstream commercial enterprise, and much worse, a classic example of a "feminist" endeavor that's run by misogynist men who know they can make money by spewing faux-feminist rhetoric in regards to their products.

I agree with you there. You see the same thing in goth event marketing. It's always women dressed and posed provocatively, which is just what mainstream media uses to get people to go to nongoth events.  

[Sautana]

spooky_sez

GilAskan

Dieniera

I agree that they do after all take the Suicide Girls

The Suicide Girls are role models? Since when? They get paid money because they were born good looking. It doesn't take skill, dedication, discipline, or training to become a Suicide Girl- you just have to be born with a pert a** and nice tits and they'll slap some eyeliner on you and call you a Suicide Girl.

Furthermore, the alleged sexual empowerment of women that the website claims is primarily bullshit- they list themselves as "Women-owned and women operated," but the whole label and production was started by Sean Suhl (a man) who still is the sole owner of the property and the President of the company- making him in charge of all affairs. Likewise, the empowerment of "women controlling their own sexuality, making porn of themselves," is pretty much bullshit too- most of the photographers and art directors on the site are male and have control over the photoshoots, and these people (Sean Suhl especially) are known for their verbal abuse and misogyny. Sean Suhl, when asked about this abuse, didn't deny it, and said something to the effect of "I don't HAVE to treat them well. They're strippers, not Nobel Prize winners."

Suicide Girls is a pretty classic example of alternative subcultures being co-opted by mainstream commercial enterprise, and much worse, a classic example of a "feminist" endeavor that's run by misogynist men who know they can make money by spewing faux-feminist rhetoric in regards to their products.

I agree with you there. You see the same thing in goth event marketing. It's always women dressed and posed provocatively, which is just what mainstream media uses to get people to go to nongoth events.

*sigh* so true =3=

@Megumooohh that right.... I consider her a good goth model biggrin  

[ll-Mystic Rhythms-ll]

TIM BURTON
NEIL GAIMAN
JILLIAN VENTURES  

[LaceyBones]

Megumi Selwyn

I'm surprised she hasn't been brought up in this thread, but...what about Jillian Venters? Otherwise known as The Lady of Manners, of Gothic Charm School.

She writes a gothic advice blog, and wrote a book advocating good manners for goths. I think that she's a pretty reasonable role model.

Darn you! I was just reading through all these and noticed no one had mentioned her yet and was just about to!

Well to add onto what you had said:
Many goths (but not as many as there should) follow Mrs. Venters advice on her website of GothicCharmSchool.com or have watched her videos on Youtube.
She helps poor misguided babybats or whatever help one needs.
One can follow her on Twitter at twitter.com/cupcakegoth or read her blog at http://cupcake-goth.livejournal.com/
And she even has a book out called Gothic Charm School: A Guide for Goths and Those Who Love Them, that everyone (goth or not) should pick up.

Ok I'm done now.  

[ll-Mystic Rhythms-ll]

I have that book actually  

[Hyena_Queen]

None of the people I consider my role models are gothic.  

[kraze4kaos]

My role models are
Adora BatBrat- She's a wife and a mother of 3 little baby bats. And she models too. mrgreen

TripleSix: She's a model, a photographer and other things I didnt know they could be occupations lol She's just a cool party animal. dramallama

Hmm Thats all I could think of at the moment xp