I have a question about divorce.

[ryokomayuka]

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Mark 10
Divorce
1Jesus then left that place and went into the region of Judea and across the Jordan. Again crowds of people came to him, and as was his custom, he taught them.
2Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"

3"What did Moses command you?" he replied.

4They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."

5"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied. 6"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'[a] 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.'[c] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

10When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

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Matthew 19
Divorce
1When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"

8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

In the first passage it sound as through if two people divorce for any reason including unfaithfulness is committing adultery. In the other it sounds as though if two people divorce for any reason except for unfaithfulness then they are committing adultery. Which is it?
Also how often are you committing adultery?  

[Galad Aglaron]

Apparently, if you even look on someone with lust, you're committing adultery.  

[Gaylord Mule 3]

yep. Galad's got it about right. so i'm going to guess the average christian male will commit adultery once every six seconds or so. especially considering that i've been told if i'm not in a relationship it's still adultery because it's cheating on my future wife in my mind, or some crap like that.  

[Galad Aglaron]

So basically, castrate them at birth, and you ensure their purity. 3nodding

Ooooh, now that reminds me of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials series... heart The perfect antithesis to The Chronicles of Narnia.  

[Corpse_Bride_131]

I've heard that from the church's point of view the only acceptable reasons for divorce are abuse and unfaithfulness. Which sound like pretty good reasons to me. So I guess God was feeling charitable the day He told whoever to write that. lol. But um, other than that, I'm not so sure.  

[Gaylord Mule 3]

I heard abuse was ok.  

[Sir BlackHeart]

Galad Damodred

So basically, castrate them at birth, and you ensure their purity. 3nodding

Ooooh, now that reminds me of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials series... heart The perfect antithesis to The Chronicles of Narnia.

Dude thats Hilarious xd !!!!!  

[Galad Aglaron]

Well duh. rolleyes *buffs nails*  

[The_Mortician]

Gaylord Mule 3

I heard abuse was ok.

Whoever told you that, you should punch them in the face.  

[janet06]

ryokomayuka

Quote:

Mark 10
Divorce
1Jesus then left that place and went into the region of Judea and across the Jordan. Again crowds of people came to him, and as was his custom, he taught them.
2Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"

3"What did Moses command you?" he replied.

4They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."

5"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied. 6"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'[a] 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.'[c] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

10When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

Quote:

Matthew 19
Divorce
1When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"

8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

In the first passage it sound as through if two people divorce for any reason including unfaithfulness is committing adultery. In the other it sounds as though if two people divorce for any reason except for unfaithfulness then they are committing adultery. Which is it?
Also how often are you committing adultery?


Divorce is not what God intends for any marriage. It is an ugly thing and it hurts everyone involved, and not necessarily involved. So … even if your husband or wife commits some terrible sexual sin against you and your marriage – you should still try to preserve it. Try to mend what has been broken, and keep your relationship. However, if you do decide to divorce it should be for no reason except unfaithfulness or some terrible sexual sin as it says in some translations. No other reason is acceptable. Even if you get beat up by your husband/wife – now that you are married you must persevere and seek God to intervene in your marriage. Otherwise nothing will change. The beater needs to seek spiritual counseling, and the one being beat needs to forgive. It is not Gods will for a man/woman to use their power to hurt their spouse. The power granted to anyone is for leading your family, so that the Kingdome of God may be glorified.

I commit adultry I have found at least once a week. When i think about an other man - and immediately i ask forgiveness, and repent. I am getting better at it...but it's a work in progress.  

[Coryen2]

I think that janet06 has it right, marriage was meant to be one man and one woman for life...."'Til death do us part" as the vow goes. The Bible also tells us that we should not be "yoked to unbelievers" (2 Corinthians 6:14). Most commentaries agree that this is refering to marriage between a believer and an unbeliever. If this is true, then neither party should wish for a divorce as both would be serving God first and formost.  

[LordKurai]

"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her"
Vs.
9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

the essence of the first passage is that it wasn't mention the (however). The passage does not state that for no reason may you divorce you wife. on the second verse you gave it gives the (however) it does state there is one exception.
k was written to the Jews (of whom knew the law), and also we must take into account the fact that it is written by mark, who probably did not find it necessary to write that one exception, or perhaps
We must take to account that Mark perhaps forgot or God did not allow him to recall that in particular. The purpose that mark wrote this passage was to show the how DIFFERENT Christ was. The fact that He said that "BLEW PEOPLE AWAY!" Mark wasn't worried about all the specifics, but to get his point across to the Jews in a way that they would understand best. but he did not speak heresy because he simply did not mention the exception.
Matthew wanted to be as specific as possible so that people would realize that "just because your wife isn't as pretty as the other (it doesn't mean it's an atrocity!!! and) it is not a reason to divorce her. The only considered atrocity is unfaithfulness because it is a spiritual as well as a physical sin, to connect with that other. and it utterly vial. HOWEVER!.......

However, you must understand that Christ said also not to divorce because the two became one flesh. Christ also tells us to forgive others as our heavenly father does. If you do not forgive others on earth then your heavenly father will not forgive you. SO! we are left with the wise and biblical conclusions that:
1. YES! It is allowed due to sexual unfaithfulness... However!!!
2. You HAVE TO forgive and forget. and if the individual desires to fix the relationship and sever all others, then you must try to fix it because it is forgiven!

On the other hand, if the other is still cold and decides to continue committing adultery then you may divorce them if you wish.

I Hope This Helps!!!
God bless!

Kurai  

[LordKurai]

Coryen2

I think that janet06 has it right, marriage was meant to be one man and one woman for life...."'Til death do us part" as the vow goes. The Bible also tells us that we should not be "yoked to unbelievers" (2 Corinthians 6:14). Most commentaries agree that this is refering to marriage between a believer and an unbeliever. If this is true, then neither party should wish for a divorce as both would be serving God first and formost.

I Concur!!! Absolutely! you are definitely well rounded in understanding!
I also must add however so that I may help a further understanding and not allow you to live mislead that: the vow "till death do us part" is a vow that you make and is not in the bible, and nor is biblical but instead made up originally by the catholic Church.

Actually! The giving of "vows" is prohibited in the bible because then it would be less truthful when we say yes or no!, it tells us instead to simply give a "yes" or "no" and KEEP that promise.

I'm not saying to not give vows at a marriage!!!!!! just stating a fact that when at marriage that it should be more meaningful! don't vow to any other!!! (or at any other time...)

If you truly made that vow however and the other breaks that vow and commits adultery YOU may NOT divorce that other, or Regardless because it would be sin "give the other permission to do so" it was a vow made to each other.

Although I agree, I believe in never getting divorced and not having it as an option
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If I am incorrect in any of this please let me know I don't want to spread heresy. I am open for rebukes with exhortation. thanks!

God Bless!
Kurai  

[Sir BlackHeart]

Galad Aglaron

Apparently, if you even look on someone with lust, you're committing adultery.

I dont even know how that makes sense since your not married to anyone....and what if this other person your lurking isnt married to anyone either ninja Not trying to lead people away from the path...just thought i'd throw that put there.