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No, self preservation comes from continuation of the species and passing on of the genes, which is biological imperative, not emotion. And he understands some, as you pointed out, but others run so so so contrary to logical. They should have been HAPPY to have their souls removed. Immortality is basically a thing with that. They become powerful, immortal and so much better

Did Kyubey ever say it was immortal? Considering that all witches were magical girls, I'd say the average lifespan of a magical girl is about a week, if that. I don't see how it's immortal or so much better at all. I'm so surprised that you can say that after watching the show. Do you think you'd be able to survive longer if you were a magical girl? Do you think you can fight witch after witch and not die/use up so much magic you become a witch yourself?

Let's see, since you are using magic to control your body, you are constantly using magic just to move, so you'd constantly need to fight witches for grief seeds. But... if you didn't contract and didn't need magic to live, you won't need to fight witches, and you won't need a soul that's protected from witches! It's a ponzi scam, and the girls realised that, they should still be happy?

Normal humans: Do not need to fight witches -> Average lifespan
Magical girls: Must fight witches to live -> Very short lifespan

Self preservation is a biological imperative, that's right. It is also made up of pain and fear, and like I said, fear is an emotion. Pain can also be emotional.


I meant biological immortality. No disease, no permanent injuries, just having to query about keeping your jem safe. Sounds perfect to me

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Starshine
Ok, since everyone pretty much thinks that he doesn't have emotions, I thought I'd play the devil's advocate and throw this out there.

Kyubey does have emotions.

Throughout the anime I can pick out the following as emotions he projects through tone and body language.

Pleased - He is pleased when he finds new prey magical girl candidates.

Dissapointed - He is dissapointed whenever Homura stops Madoka from contracting him. Just look at him when Homura shows up after Mami bites it.

Smug - He is smug whenever he gets one over Homura, like when he discovers Homura's ability and when he tells Homura that Kyoko had no way to save Sayaka and she can't defeat Walpulgise nacht alone unless Madoka contracts.

Intelligence and emotion goes hand in hand during evolutions, emotion is part of what motivates a specie to survive and improve themselves. It is possible that Kyubey just has very little emotion when compared to humans, he doesn't possess anger or sadness, but he does have small amounts of emotion.

Also it's mentioned that there are rare members among his race who has emotions, so it's not physically impossible. Eg. they are not a static programmed race by higher beings.

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Something else I see all the time is that Kyubey doesn't understand emotions because he can't feel them.

Kyubey can understand how emotions and humans work.

The evidence for this is abundant. He understands desperation and contracts girls at their weakest. He doesn't appear to Mami until she was in severe pain and dying. Now when you are in that much pain you are probably praying to god to make it stop. Your brain isn't capable of analysing a wish calmly and logically. So Mami wished for herself to live instead of wishing for her entire family to live, and ended up lonely with survivors guilt.

Lets not forget the numerous times he asks Madoka and Sayaka to make a contract whenever their lives are in danger. He is really very opportunistic.

He deceived Kyoko into thinking that Sayaka might be able to be saved, so that Homura would be alone to fight Walpulgis nacht, in order to make Makoda contract. He understands how grief and hope works. If he told Kyoko flat out that Sayaka couldn't be saved, then things might have turned out differently.
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Anothing thing I sometimes see is that Kyubey never lies. Well, that would totally depend on what your definition of a lie is. Using the dictionary we get.

lie noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4. the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.

According to the dictionary, Kyubey lies, all the time.

He told Sayaka and Madoka that he will be leaving town to look for other magical girls since the two of them couldn't think of a wish. He lied, and stalked Sayaka until she was at her weakest. This fits definition #1.

He told Kyoko that he doesn't know of anyone that managed to save a witch, this fits definition #6. Not an outright lie, but a way of wording things to deceive and convey a false impression, which is still a lie. He tells Homura outright later that Sayaka as a witch could not be saved.
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Lastly, Kyubey says what he is doing is for the greater good. Eg, saving the universe.

However since he is a manipulative lying thing, we don't know if he is collecting energy to save the universe, or to save his own race, or to just become more powerful. What is evident however, is that he has no interest in benefitting humanity as a whole or saving earth in any form.

Kyubey would be fine if earth exploded, as long as he gets his energy.

He was perfectly fine with Madoka's witch wiping the planet so long as he got his energy quota. This implies that each planet has a quota, and it's possible that there are other Kyubeys on other planets farming other sentinent species.

All that spill about magical girls benefitting humanity is really just a possible side effect, which I don't think is true regardless. Kyubey tells Madoka that if not for magical girls, humanity will probably be still living naked in caves. This is just another lie. Humanity has already proven that it has intelligence and emotion, so there's no way there would be no development for millions of years. If that was true, Kyubey wouldn't bother to farm humans in the first place.

I also fail to see how creating witches that curses people is in anyway, shape or form conductive to evolution. If anything incubators have held back humanity by making lives worse.
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TL;DR; Kyubey doesn't care about any human, lies and deceives, and understand how emotions work to manipulate people. He's not a nuetral entity at all.





Wow, that is so freaking true, and I totally agree. I guess it goes to show that even cute things can be evil

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Kyubey is the devil
Kyubey is the super devil
Kyubey is just .......


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Idk some ppl find it cute... Yeah I see the point now... Hell a lot fearful now...

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I meant biological immortality. No disease, no permanent injuries, just having to query about keeping your jem safe. Sounds perfect to me

Each to their own! xd I wouldn't want to pay for such a body by fighting witches until I die, but that's just me.

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I agree almost one hundred percent with your argument that Kyubey has emotions.
He's fully capable of it, as emotions are the direct result of logic and instinct (which are two reasons why I like Kyubey as a character so much)
Probably why his emotions are so reserved compared to human emotions is because his logic is to try his best to show no more emotion than cheerfulness to lure more girls to become Magical Girls.
(Just my theory, and to me it also explains why he's always smiling and doesn't express emotions through facial means. Stay cute, stay convincing. X'D)

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He shows the closest to happiness when he eats. Whether it's himself or something else.
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Destructive Bunny

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LOL! I have to say that image is pretty darn hilarious rofl

Never play poker with QB.

Man-Hungry Carnivore

Starshine
Azflame

LOL! I have to say that image is pretty darn hilarious rofl

Never play poker with QB.


Why not? We may not be able to tell his emotions, but didn't he say many times he doesn't our emotions either? biggrin

Oh and more QB happiness:

Destructive Bunny

Azflame

I bet he cheats! He would have multiple royal flush an full house stored inside that weird body of his.
Starshine
Ok, since everyone pretty much thinks that he doesn't have emotions, I thought I'd play the devil's advocate and throw this out there.

Kyubey does have emotions.

Throughout the anime I can pick out the following as emotions he projects through tone and body language.

Pleased - He is pleased when he finds new prey magical girl candidates.

Dissapointed - He is dissapointed whenever Homura stops Madoka from contracting him. Just look at him when Homura shows up after Mami bites it.

Smug - He is smug whenever he gets one over Homura, like when he discovers Homura's ability and when he tells Homura that Kyoko had no way to save Sayaka and she can't defeat Walpulgise nacht alone unless Madoka contracts.

Intelligence and emotion goes hand in hand during evolutions, emotion is part of what motivates a specie to survive and improve themselves. It is possible that Kyubey just has very little emotion when compared to humans, he doesn't possess anger or sadness, but he does have small amounts of emotion.

Also it's mentioned that there are rare members among his race who has emotions, so it's not physically impossible. Eg. they are not a static programmed race by higher beings.

______________________________________________________________________________

Something else I see all the time is that Kyubey doesn't understand emotions because he can't feel them.

Kyubey can understand how emotions and humans work.

The evidence for this is abundant. He understands desperation and contracts girls at their weakest. He doesn't appear to Mami until she was in severe pain and dying. Now when you are in that much pain you are probably praying to god to make it stop. Your brain isn't capable of analysing a wish calmly and logically. So Mami wished for herself to live instead of wishing for her entire family to live, and ended up lonely with survivors guilt.

Lets not forget the numerous times he asks Madoka and Sayaka to make a contract whenever their lives are in danger. He is really very opportunistic.

He deceived Kyoko into thinking that Sayaka might be able to be saved, so that Homura would be alone to fight Walpulgis nacht, in order to make Makoda contract. He understands how grief and hope works. If he told Kyoko flat out that Sayaka couldn't be saved, then things might have turned out differently.
______________________________________________________________________________

Anothing thing I sometimes see is that Kyubey never lies. Well, that would totally depend on what your definition of a lie is. Using the dictionary we get.

lie noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
4. the charge or accusation of telling a lie: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
verb (used without object)
5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.

According to the dictionary, Kyubey lies, all the time.

He told Sayaka and Madoka that he will be leaving town to look for other magical girls since the two of them couldn't think of a wish. He lied, and stalked Sayaka until she was at her weakest. This fits definition #1.

He told Kyoko that he doesn't know of anyone that managed to save a witch, this fits definition #6. Not an outright lie, but a way of wording things to deceive and convey a false impression, which is still a lie. He tells Homura outright later that Sayaka as a witch could not be saved.
______________________________________________________________________________

Lastly, Kyubey says what he is doing is for the greater good. Eg, saving the universe.

However since he is a manipulative lying thing, we don't know if he is collecting energy to save the universe, or to save his own race, or to just become more powerful. What is evident however, is that he has no interest in benefitting humanity as a whole or saving earth in any form.

Kyubey would be fine if earth exploded, as long as he gets his energy.

He was perfectly fine with Madoka's witch wiping the planet so long as he got his energy quota. This implies that each planet has a quota, and it's possible that there are other Kyubeys on other planets farming other sentinent species.

All that spill about magical girls benefitting humanity is really just a possible side effect, which I don't think is true regardless. Kyubey tells Madoka that if not for magical girls, humanity will probably be still living naked in caves. This is just another lie. Humanity has already proven that it has intelligence and emotion, so there's no way there would be no development for millions of years. If that was true, Kyubey wouldn't bother to farm humans in the first place.

I also fail to see how creating witches that curses people is in anyway, shape or form conductive to evolution. If anything incubators have held back humanity by making lives worse.
______________________________________________________________________________

TL;DR; Kyubey doesn't care about any human, lies and deceives, and understand how emotions work to manipulate people. He's not a nuetral entity at all.


I think when the authors of the anime describe Kyubey as having no emotion, they meant in the classic sense of the word meaning that he lacked the ability to get angry, sad, or happy. Everything he did was to extract energy. Everything he said was for that purpose as well. He didn't lie because he didn't want to lose the trust of the girls which would mean he would lose their contracts as well.

The things you described earlier (pleasure, disappointment, and smugness) aren't emotions; they're more like traits a person exhibits when in certain situations. He was pleased is pleased when he finds new candidates as a lioness is pleased when she finds prey for her cubs.

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Starshine
Azflame

I bet he cheats! He would have multiple royal flush an full house stored inside that weird body of his.

huh good point. We would have to empty him first then twisted
my youtube vid didn't work gonk
It was just QB eating himself.

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GodsNightgown

I think when the authors of the anime describe Kyubey as having no emotion, they meant in the classic sense of the word meaning that he lacked the ability to get angry, sad, or happy. Everything he did was to extract energy. Everything he said was for that purpose as well. He didn't lie because he didn't want to lose the trust of the girls which would mean he would lose their contracts as well.

The things you described earlier (pleasure, disappointment, and smugness) aren't emotions; they're more like traits a person exhibits when in certain situations. He was pleased is pleased when he finds new candidates as a lioness is pleased when she finds prey for her cubs.

Ack, please cut quotes instead of tagging a wall of text xd I'm using the mobile app and scrolling is a pain.

It can be argued for pleasure to be a physical sensation, but there is no way smugness isn't an emotion. Also Kyubey lies a lot, I listed examples in my original post. He doesn't care about the trust of the girls, actually he doesn't care about the girls at all once they are contracted.

Destructive Bunny

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Starshine
Azflame

I bet he cheats! He would have multiple royal flush an full house stored inside that weird body of his.

huh good point. We would have to empty him first then twisted
my youtube vid didn't work gonk
It was just QB eating himself.

That video works now, Kyubey getting holed up before dinner xd

Man-Hungry Carnivore

Starshine
Azflame
Starshine
Azflame

I bet he cheats! He would have multiple royal flush an full house stored inside that weird body of his.

huh good point. We would have to empty him first then twisted
my youtube vid didn't work gonk
It was just QB eating himself.

That video works now, Kyubey getting holed up before dinner xd

yay it works biggrin
youtube is confusing me, I tried to find it again but it was gone stare
Kyubey is made out of marshmallow fluff with strawberry goodness inside biggrin

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