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...Where to start...? cat_rolleyes

...Honestly, I miss Tektek... cat_neutral

...I miss being able to search by colour, by actual item type (and see ONLY the pose I'm looking for, NOT every single pose in the item), by name (even partially!), etc., none of which you can do with the, quite janky, Avatar Builder... cat_sweatdrop

...For Example... If I search just my inventory under "Beard" with the word "black" (or "black beard" ), I get just the Kingston items I own (and like 2 other rando items), but if I search under "All Types" with the word "black beard," then I get everything from the General's Beard to the Juicy Lemonade Bomb... Which is great... Except... Why didn't ANY of these show up under "Beard" and, for that matter, why do I need to see EVERY. SINGLE. POSE. in the Aria Scuro when ONLY 1 pose, out of the 45 poses, has. a. beard. cat_mad

...Also, the order they show up in doesn't make any sense to me either... cat_stare

...Like the last item is Juicy Lemonade Bomb in that search above and several items before it is the Luxurious Me Day... However... If I search under "All Types" with just "beard," not "black beard," then, for some weird reason, Luxurious Me Day becomes the last item while Juicy Lemonade Bomb is nowhere near it pages ahead... cat_confused

...Sigh... Honestly, I do enjoy having something like the Avatar Builder; After all, something is better than nothing, but using it can be EXTREMELY exhausting too (and, sometimes, that leads me to throw up my arms with the Avatar Builder and go back using the search feature in the Avatar dress-up page instead)... cat_stressed

I can describe some of the odd habits of Avi Builder search. A few years ago I spent time trying to understand/describe some weird Paw search behavior and ended up testing out what various search boxes in Avi Builder/Dress Up/Marketplace could/couldn't do.

I'm going to throw it in a spoiler because it gets a bit long.
To start with: items have tags but also each pose has tags.
for example the MP pages for the first and second poses:
User ImageKingston's Blossomy Bristles
User ImageKingston's Blossomy Bristles (hair)
As you can see the first pose has a whole bunch of tags while the second only has 4.


gaia_right When you search in the Marketplace or Dress Up it only searches tags on the first pose.

gaia_right When you search in the Avatar Builder what tags are searched changes based on the settings.

Item DB: All Types
only searches tags on first poses.

Item DB: Specific Category (eg: cape)
searches tags of all poses that match the category type.

My Inventory/Ghosting: All Types
only searches tags on first poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: Specific Category (eg: cape)
only searches tags on the first poses that match the category type.

gaia_right So for an example searching "kingston brown"

Item DB: All
will find only first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.

Item DB: Beard
will find all beard type poses with "kingston brown" in the tags. If it returns the first pose of an item it will display all the poses.

Item DB: Head
will find all head type poses with "kingston brown" in the tags. If it returns the first pose of an item it will display all the poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: All
will find only the first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: Beard
will find only the beard type first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: Head
will find only the head type first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.


I used brown specifically for this because as the MP links shared above reveal the hair pose on the original does not have any color tags. This results in the original color showing up in the All and Beard searches but not the Head search.

One more note I wanted to add: items may not be under the classification you expect. For example while there are indeed beards in the Beard section some beards may have been classified as Face, Mouth, or Head poses instead of Beard and so won't show up in a Beard type search.

Regarding the order of results:
When searching Item DB the results are sorted based on Item ID. The Item ID is the number at end of the Marketplace URL.

When searching in 'My Inventory' the results are based on the order they are in your inventory THEN sorts them based on Item ID. So let's pretend the search can only display two series per page and you run a search that returns 5 series. In your inventory you have them sorted as 1 3 5 2 4. However the results will have the first page displaying 1 then 3, second page will have 2 then 5, and third page will have 4. So the first and last page follows the order of your inventory but the second page would not seem to match your inventory order because it shifted their order.

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An actual useful use of Ai would be to help the item search function in the avatar builder. Something that no human could possibly do.


I think we'd need to spend time training it, but legitimately, I agree that this would be an actual good use of AI on Gaia, for sure.
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meep12345


...Where to start...? cat_rolleyes

...Honestly, I miss Tektek... cat_neutral

...I miss being able to search by colour, by actual item type (and see ONLY the pose I'm looking for, NOT every single pose in the item), by name (even partially!), etc., none of which you can do with the, quite janky, Avatar Builder... cat_sweatdrop

...For Example... If I search just my inventory under "Beard" with the word "black" (or "black beard" ), I get just the Kingston items I own (and like 2 other rando items), but if I search under "All Types" with the word "black beard," then I get everything from the General's Beard to the Juicy Lemonade Bomb... Which is great... Except... Why didn't ANY of these show up under "Beard" and, for that matter, why do I need to see EVERY. SINGLE. POSE. in the Aria Scuro when ONLY 1 pose, out of the 45 poses, has. a. beard. cat_mad

...Also, the order they show up in doesn't make any sense to me either... cat_stare

...Like the last item is Juicy Lemonade Bomb in that search above and several items before it is the Luxurious Me Day... However... If I search under "All Types" with just "beard," not "black beard," then, for some weird reason, Luxurious Me Day becomes the last item while Juicy Lemonade Bomb is nowhere near it pages ahead... cat_confused

...Sigh... Honestly, I do enjoy having something like the Avatar Builder; After all, something is better than nothing, but using it can be EXTREMELY exhausting too (and, sometimes, that leads me to throw up my arms with the Avatar Builder and go back using the search feature in the Avatar dress-up page instead)... cat_stressed

I can describe some of the odd habits of Avi Builder search. A few years ago I spent time trying to understand/describe some weird Paw search behavior and ended up testing out what various search boxes in Avi Builder/Dress Up/Marketplace could/couldn't do.

I'm going to throw it in a spoiler because it gets a bit long.
To start with: items have tags but also each pose has tags.
for example the MP pages for the first and second poses:
User ImageKingston's Blossomy Bristles
User ImageKingston's Blossomy Bristles (hair)
As you can see the first pose has a whole bunch of tags while the second only has 4.


gaia_right When you search in the Marketplace or Dress Up it only searches tags on the first pose.

gaia_right When you search in the Avatar Builder what tags are searched changes based on the settings.

Item DB: All Types
only searches tags on first poses.

Item DB: Specific Category (eg: cape)
searches tags of all poses that match the category type.

My Inventory/Ghosting: All Types
only searches tags on first poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: Specific Category (eg: cape)
only searches tags on the first poses that match the category type.

gaia_right So for an example searching "kingston brown"

Item DB: All
will find only first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.

Item DB: Beard
will find all beard type poses with "kingston brown" in the tags. If it returns the first pose of an item it will display all the poses.

Item DB: Head
will find all head type poses with "kingston brown" in the tags. If it returns the first pose of an item it will display all the poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: All
will find only the first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: Beard
will find only the beard type first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.

My Inventory/Ghosting: Head
will find only the head type first poses with "kingston brown" in the tags and display all the poses.


I used brown specifically for this because as the MP links shared above reveal the hair pose on the original does not have any color tags. This results in the original color showing up in the All and Beard searches but not the Head search.

One more note I wanted to add: items may not be under the classification you expect. For example while there are indeed beards in the Beard section some beards may have been classified as Face, Mouth, or Head poses instead of Beard and so won't show up in a Beard type search.

Regarding the order of results:
When searching Item DB the results are sorted based on Item ID. The Item ID is the number at end of the Marketplace URL.

When searching in 'My Inventory' the results are based on the order they are in your inventory THEN sorts them based on Item ID. So let's pretend the search can only display two series per page and you run a search that returns 5 series. In your inventory you have them sorted as 1 3 5 2 4. However the results will have the first page displaying 1 then 3, second page will have 2 then 5, and third page will have 4. So the first and last page follows the order of your inventory but the second page would not seem to match your inventory order because it shifted their order.

I should have known if anyone would understand the Avi builder's weirder behavior, it would be you, Aerdian lol.

Thank you so much for taking the time to break this down! This is super helpful in knowing how to optimize searches.

Seriously... I already use your guides daily lol. And now this..

You're. The. Best.
I've not trying the new version but it's great to have extra space to build. It was frustrating to have only 3 slots.

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oh my god they did the impossible- they fixed sort by shop function emotion_kirakira

again, know it's probably not possible due to 'lanzer/staff nuked all flash from the site', but it'd be really nice to get the animated pose preview option back for astras, if at all possible.

another (more likely imo) recommendation is more items per page and/or the option to toggle between poses and just main item icons, kind of like how you can view 600 items per page in your inventory. between the poses and the recolors, it gets really annoying clicking through five pages of different poses just to find what you're looking for emotion_facepalm

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oh my god they did the impossible- they fixed sort by shop function emotion_kirakira

again, know it's probably not possible due to 'lanzer/staff nuked all flash from the site', but it'd be really nice to get the animated pose preview option back for astras, if at all possible.

another (more likely imo) recommendation is more items per page and/or the option to toggle between poses and just main item icons, kind of like how you can view 600 items per page in your inventory. between the poses and the recolors, it gets really annoying clicking through five pages of different poses just to find what you're looking for emotion_facepalm

So not really a nuked all flash, more like flash got nuked from orbit when it got shut down lol.

But outside of that, total agree. It definitely needs a toggle between every lose and base item.

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oh my god they did the impossible- they fixed sort by shop function emotion_kirakira

again, know it's probably not possible due to 'lanzer/staff nuked all flash from the site', but it'd be really nice to get the animated pose preview option back for astras, if at all possible.

another (more likely imo) recommendation is more items per page and/or the option to toggle between poses and just main item icons, kind of like how you can view 600 items per page in your inventory. between the poses and the recolors, it gets really annoying clicking through five pages of different poses just to find what you're looking for emotion_facepalm

So not really a nuked all flash, more like flash got nuked from orbit when it got shut down lol.

But outside of that, total agree. It definitely needs a toggle between every lose and base item.


was writing down my thoughts quick and messy when i wrote my first post so i didnt elaborate further, but when i say 'nuked all flash' i mean how they've seemingly changed their perspective on supporting flash, and slowly went from 'here's a setting in account settings to turn off animated items if you don't want to see them, and even though flash isn't supported here's a workaround' to 'we're forcibly turning off all animated items sitewide' to (most recently) 'we've removed all flash-based games from our games list and haven't activated the zOMG halloween event for the first time since it's been brought back'

it feels like gaia's been gradually removing all of their old flash-based features and then taking 5-6 years to replace/repair them, which i get the delay but also why not offer support for your old features UNTIL the new features arrive?

sorry this turned into a rant that's kinda off topic, but yeah TLDR i wish gaia would stick to 'flash is no longer technically supported but you can use these steps to access our flash-based features' like they did when they first brought zomg back, as opposed to the most recent trend of 'we're completely removing all of our old flash media and pretending it never existed' :,)

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Hey long time player short time poster, some of the older items and older MCs don't allow me to equip them with other things. As you can see I've been collecting for some time and I just like to display my items I've had and their rarity. Albeit it may be low... Just would love to flaunt a few more things 😂🤣. Maybe add a layering system like in photoshop? But obviously you have to limit it. I don't know I'm just throwing out ideas. God bless you, and thanks for reading my post! Apologies if it's a useless post, I haven't played in such a long time so I have no real idea why it's doing that. Thanks!

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I dunno if it's just me, but just using the builder the other day I could see there's still a lot of jank. It's lucky I don't remember jack about the day it was first implemented.

There's numbers on both sides of the items sure, but only one side seems to actually work properly; I could move pages but the top set would always be all the way at page 1 regardless of where I actually was.
Using the back page arrows would completely wipe the search including the tags and categories.
Picking female body bases is impossible, you can switch from male but there's no main body and selecting any of the options doesn't do anything. What's more in the past couple days the "display other gender" tickbox stopped working too.
Number of items displayed per page is very inconsistent. Sometimes I'd get like 4 or 5 rows of items, then a few pages down I'd get like 10 to 20 or more.

The search pulling up every single pose instead of just the poses that match your search tags has been the main I reason I basically never touched the thing since it came out. If nothing else ever changes about the builder, I wish it would one day get sensical searching and tags like tektek had.

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I thought saving names on things was already a thing, I have names on some of mine idk, I really like the new item history thing, and the redo

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I thought saving names on things was already a thing, I have names on some of mine idk, I really like the new item history thing, and the redo


So, I was referring to the Avatar Builder, not our normal Avatar Maker / inventory system that lets us name Outfits and whatnot.

Although I do, completely agree, the item history and redo button are AMAZING on those, and I have been so excited lol.

Been on Gaia since 2004, and yeah, lol. Been a loooong time hoping for a redo button. XD


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I thought saving names on things was already a thing, I have names on some of mine idk, I really like the new item history thing, and the redo


So, I was referring to the Avatar Builder, not our normal Avatar Maker / inventory system that lets us name Outfits and whatnot.

Although I do, completely agree, the item history and redo button are AMAZING on those, and I have been so excited lol.

Been on Gaia since 2004, and yeah, lol. Been a loooong time hoping for a redo button. XD


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ah dang there so many of these things nowadays

I like that the builder has the individual items on each thing, that's cool rather than just being like "ah ******** what pair of trousers has the nice eyes?"

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Being able to add your own tags...

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