Accepted Japanese incest

[Lindlar]

AyameRose

ZechsK

Blairnensha

Raptor Mechanic

Blairnensha

>.> Meganekko~moe bugs me because it implies that the dependence on an easily-removed external device is hot.

Do guys like girls who are easy to abuse or something?

I think most men have a fetish of their woman being submissive.

But they're too insecure about their own manliness not to rely on their girl's mechanical dependencies for backup?

Or because they just like to be in charge sometimes ... just like some women like to be dominant. Sorry Freud but sometimes a pen is just a pen and not a p***s. Liking the whole dom-sub thing doesn't mean either party has insecurities. They are in fact liberated enough to willingly play such roles and don't mind playing such roles for a time, because they are SECURE in who they are and what they will do and not do, and are competent and whole as individuals.

While this isn't entirely on topic, I'd like to back this. smile As a girl who considers herself pretty secure in herself and a confidant, sometimes aggressively independant person, the idea of a mate who will challenge me and show the initiative to take control is hot. heart

On topic, I can only think back to my anthropology professor imploring us to never judge something we are completely unable to relate to. If some vast majority of young men that have experienced this say that this type of behavior has damaged them emotionally, then, yes, something is wrong with the situation that should be fixed. But outside of people asking for help, its not our place to say that the entire situation is totally immoral. *shurg* Personally, if either one of my parents came on to me, I'd run screaming. But that's me.

edit: Bolded as a personal sidenote, I think Freud was full of crap. mrgreen

Well, that last part is a bit of a given.

[AyameRose]

Lindlar

AyameRose

ZechsK

Blairnensha

Raptor Mechanic

Blairnensha

>.> Meganekko~moe bugs me because it implies that the dependence on an easily-removed external device is hot.

Do guys like girls who are easy to abuse or something?

I think most men have a fetish of their woman being submissive.

But they're too insecure about their own manliness not to rely on their girl's mechanical dependencies for backup?

Or because they just like to be in charge sometimes ... just like some women like to be dominant. Sorry Freud but sometimes a pen is just a pen and not a p***s. Liking the whole dom-sub thing doesn't mean either party has insecurities. They are in fact liberated enough to willingly play such roles and don't mind playing such roles for a time, because they are SECURE in who they are and what they will do and not do, and are competent and whole as individuals.

While this isn't entirely on topic, I'd like to back this. smile As a girl who considers herself pretty secure in herself and a confidant, sometimes aggressively independant person, the idea of a mate who will challenge me and show the initiative to take control is hot. heart

On topic, I can only think back to my anthropology professor imploring us to never judge something we are completely unable to relate to. If some vast majority of young men that have experienced this say that this type of behavior has damaged them emotionally, then, yes, something is wrong with the situation that should be fixed. But outside of people asking for help, its not our place to say that the entire situation is totally immoral. *shurg* Personally, if either one of my parents came on to me, I'd run screaming. But that's me.

edit: Bolded as a personal sidenote, I think Freud was full of crap. mrgreen

Well, that last part is a bit of a given.

The man had a serious case of birth envy.

[Caribbean_Kween_69]

Lindlar

I've read that it is somewhat common in Japanese society, though not necessarily accepted, for mothers to masturbate their sons, and even engage in sexual intercourse. The purpose of this is to strengthen family ties and prevent children from engaging in sexual actions elsewhere that may be more harmful, to help relieve the stress of the child, and to educate the child on proper sexual etiquette.
Mothers increasingly find that their sons are becoming more aware of their sexuality earlier in life because they are learning about it from TV shows that are finding it more acceptable to have sexual themes. Rather that let the child only learn from sources like these, mothers view it better to educate their child personally and prevent the child from going to untrustworthy sources for sexual release. Mothers also help the child masturbate to relieve stress during exam times and help them focus.

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“Western observers even today often notice that Japanese mothers masturbate their young children during the day in public and at night in the family bed-in order, they say, "to put them to sleep”[17]. The average Japanese mother sleeps with her children until they are ten or fifteen years old, traditionally sleeping “skin-to-skin” (dakine) while embracing her child because the father-as in the traditional gynarchy-is usually absent, over two-thirds of Japanese husbands being involved in extramarital intercourse[18]. Japanese mothers often teach their sons how to masturbate, helping them achieve first ejaculation in much the same manner as with toilet training[19]. A “mental health hotline” in Tokyo recently reported being flooded with calls about incest, 29 percent of them with complaints such as that the mother would offer her body for sex while telling the son, “You cannot study if you cannot have sex. You may use by body”, or “I don’t want you to get into trouble with a girl. Have sex with me instead”[20]. Wagatsuma reports “Japanese mothers often exhibit an obsession with their sons’ penises...[they are] usually brought in by their mothers who fear that their sons’ penises are abnormally small”[21], with the result that Japanese marriage clinics find “60 percent of their patients are afflicted with the 'no-touch syndrome”, that is, they will have no physical contact with their wives for fear that it will lead to sex...[termed] the “I love mommy' complex[22]” Adams and Hill and Rosenman have thoroughly documented the castration anxieties resulting from Japanese maternal incest[23]”.

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So, as an American, I can't help but have a kneejerk reaction that this is completely immoral. But, when I think about it more, I have difficulty coming up with rational reasons why this is wrong, except that incest can produce children that are more prone to recessive genetic diseases. Intercourse may be dangerous if it is done without proper protection. As for masturbating the child... Man, I want to say it's wrong, but I can't really think of a reason why.

Dude its so wrong to jack a kid off...in North America they'd be breaking jail right now!!!!! Thats ***** at its worse.

[MachineMuse]

AyameRose

ZechsK

Blairnensha

Raptor Mechanic

Blairnensha

>.> Meganekko~moe bugs me because it implies that the dependence on an easily-removed external device is hot.

Do guys like girls who are easy to abuse or something?

I think most men have a fetish of their woman being submissive.

But they're too insecure about their own manliness not to rely on their girl's mechanical dependencies for backup?

Or because they just like to be in charge sometimes ... just like some women like to be dominant. Sorry Freud but sometimes a pen is just a pen and not a p***s. Liking the whole dom-sub thing doesn't mean either party has insecurities. They are in fact liberated enough to willingly play such roles and don't mind playing such roles for a time, because they are SECURE in who they are and what they will do and not do, and are competent and whole as individuals.

While this isn't entirely on topic, I'd like to back this. smile As a girl who considers herself pretty secure in herself and a confidant, sometimes aggressively independant person, the idea of a mate who will challenge me and show the initiative to take control is hot. heart

Yeah, ok, I know that, but we're talking about a guy who won't challenge you or take the initiative to take control unless you have some kind of discernible, physical, exploitable vulnerability. In fact I think the only moé style that this doesn't apply to is 'tsundere'.

[Umbral_Necropolitan]

One more reason I'm glad I grew up where I did. I have enough issues without dealing with a oedipus complex. Although the source for masturbating the kids is from 1956, so things might have changed in 50 years.

[unsketch]

oh man, that is just gross neutral

[Nymph of Satyr]

Chaos of Shadows

This World Just Makes No Sense Now, But...

While I find this wrong and rather disturbing on a personal level, it's also not what I grew up with as "acceptable" or "right."

I would like to voice the opinion that people saying "it's just wrong" also can find no true reason for believing this to be "wrong" other that the ethics you were brought up with. However, from culture to culture, ethics are extremely flexible

For instance, I know for a fact that the vast majority of women in the US would be mad enough to castrate her husband if he thought of bringing another woman into the fold as his second wife. However, this is accepted practice in certain outcast sects of Mormon Xianity and practically all cultures influenced by Islam. In the West, it's considered sick. In other parts of the world, it's the accepted norm.

The very grounds for ethics are extremely shaky. We are conditioned from a young age to find certain acts acceptable and others deplorable. The very few ethics that are set in stone as far as "right and wrong" are probably the base 10 - I believe that most every culture can agree that the 10 Commandments act as the foundation for any subsequent resulting ideas on morality (I should say the 6 of the commandments that have nothing to do with God but are about basic human rights).

However, no one is a rightful judge unless that person has experienced both sides of the coin. And even then, that judgment is subjective.

I Must fight! With All of My Might! I Will Make this Right!

Uhmm but you have to ask yourself, when do these things start crossing the line, and violate the human rights of young people.

Sure some little girls may have grown up used to daddy fondling them and maybe to them, that was normal, but was it right. In those circumstances the child grows up completely confused about what was happening to them and may have issues with their sexuality. Then you have kids that are beaten up when they are young. They think thats normal. They carry that nastyness over even into their own families and the cycle of crazyness continues

I think standards should be taken into consideration to! I dont understand why people are so quick to jump up and defend cultural practices simply based on the fact that they are culture.

In some places it is a fundamentalist muslim culture to bury a woman up to her head in the ground and stone her to death for being accused of cheating on her husband too.

I dont know I dont know i dont think that contributes anything to human progress or is a good practice to keep around. It used to be a southern american tradition to segregate and even terrorize black people but do we still do it. ******** no

[cyropi]

Blairnensha

Raptor Mechanic

Blairnensha

Bukkake is just weird. Not really offensive in its current form. Maybe when it was used as a form of punishment, if it ever even was, but nowadays it's just sad.

I would especially want to Bukkake a woman who's wearing glasses.
Women with glasses are Hawt. heart

>.> Meganekko~moe bugs me because it implies that the dependence on an easily-removed external device is hot.

Do guys like girls who are easy to abuse or something?

If you want a more positive spin, glasses are usually associated with intelligence. (I vaguely remember learning about a study that found that when people were asked to rate peoples' intelligence based on their photographs, photos of an individual wearing glasses were rated higher than photos of the same individual in the same clothes etc. but without glasses.)

Obviously that's a stereotype in itself, but don't you think it might mean that being attracted to women with glasses might well simply indicate being attracted to intelligent women?

If you take it in the context of bukkake, it could also show care and concern for one's partner, since wearing glasses would give the woman's eyes some protection.

And honestly, as someone who's worn glasses since childhood, I can't see how removing them would make me any more vulnerable. A blurry abusive partner isn't much different to an abusive partner who's clearly in focus. I'm not going to be suddenly cowering on the floor whimpering because my vision's blurry, particularly not when I'm more than used to navigating a blurred world.

[MachineMuse]

cyropi

Blairnensha

Raptor Mechanic

Blairnensha

Bukkake is just weird. Not really offensive in its current form. Maybe when it was used as a form of punishment, if it ever even was, but nowadays it's just sad.

I would especially want to Bukkake a woman who's wearing glasses.
Women with glasses are Hawt. heart

>.> Meganekko~moe bugs me because it implies that the dependence on an easily-removed external device is hot.

Do guys like girls who are easy to abuse or something?

If you want a more positive spin, glasses are usually associated with intelligence. (I vaguely remember learning about a study that found that when people were asked to rate peoples' intelligence based on their photographs, photos of an individual wearing glasses were rated higher than photos of the same individual in the same clothes etc. but without glasses.)

Obviously that's a stereotype in itself, but don't you think it might mean that being attracted to women with glasses might well simply indicate being attracted to intelligent women?

If you take it in the context of bukkake, it could also show care and concern for one's partner, since wearing glasses would give the woman's eyes some protection.

And honestly, as someone who's worn glasses since childhood, I can't see how removing them would make me any more vulnerable. A blurry abusive partner isn't much different to an abusive partner who's clearly in focus. I'm not going to be suddenly cowering on the floor whimpering because my vision's blurry, particularly not when I'm more than used to navigating a blurred world.

rofl

Well, the intelligence thing is a bit of a compliment that way, I guess, but do guys with a meganekko~moe fetish really want "smart" women? Especially if they're insecure about their own intelligence. Keep in mind these are creepy hikikomori otaku perverts, for the most part. When you put it that way, it bends around back to the stereotype that smart girls tend to be sheltered...and therefore more innocent. Which actually makes more sense than my initial theory, but is almost as creepy.

And...the bukkake thing is a bit of a stretch gonk but now that I think about it, that does make sense...ugh!

Finally... it may be true that losing your glasses is not such a big deal but that's not how it's portrayed in anime. When a meganekko loses her glasses, she gets on her hands and knees and feels around for them desperately. And if there's a mean person nearby, they'll mock them and maybe even try to keep her precious eyesight away from her. It's like "eye scream light".

[La Veuve Zin]

wolfdragon08

Personal experience by living in Japan. Then coming back to America and having Japanese friends. That's where I am getting my info from.

Its not as if sex is not talked about at all in Japan or that you won't see anything about it out in the open. Its just that, when it comes to one's family, what they do is considered their business. In the United States, there are polls that can tell you lots of things about the sexual preferences of people and how many there are: homosexuals, bisexuals, pansexuals, asexuals, zoosexuals, incestuous, necrophiliacs, sadists, masochists, etc. In Japan, statistics like these don't really exist (there are some, not nearly as many as in America). In fact, when it comes to incest, there is no official statistic on it.

There are laws that prohibit sex with minors, but they do not have separate laws for incest like we do nor do they have the same stigma on incest that we do (case in point: incest is legal in Japan). If a child reports it, sure the police will do something about. However, regular citizens may not report incest on behalf of the child; most will turn a blind eye (though, Japan has gotten a little Western when it comes to incest).

So....in your learned opinion, does this sound plausible?

[RoseEmber]

The sources seem reputable. Still, it's hard to know if this is an entirely accurate portrait of Japan or if this is a small microcosm of society over there. Regardless, we do not have a right to interfere.

But as for my personal opinion...

I feel that cultures can be sick. In some ways, American culture is sick. In some ways, Japanese culture is also sick.

If this is true, then we have successfully identified one way in which Japanese culture is sick. The incest described here is abusive. However, I feel that no one should get on a high horse about it, because there are doubtlessly ways in which we are also sick.

[Saireena]

that is ******** up

[Boo-Boo-Ah-Chu]

heliamphora ionasii

oh man, that is just gross neutral

But your Asian. gonk

[Haraia]

After I started to find out about hentai, I've always thought that anyone who's not ugly should never visit japan. this just supports my idea. burning_eyes

[deeds_13]

Its disgusting but at the same little I get it.... and I feel a little distrubed...