If you draw on lined paper, you can't draw.

[MiKEYxCORE]

So it goes from $.01 per page to $.014. Holy s**t, a savings of 2/5 of a penny per page! Three pages and you've saved a whole cent! 8D Fabulous! Also, I was looking at a box of 10 reams which was $50 for 5000 sheets, so...yeah. Basically it boils down to, yes, printer paper costs slightly more than lined paper, but in such an amount that it hardly counts as a reason to only draw on lined paper.

And if we're talking about quality of paper, then I don't see why anyone would bother with lined paper because it's some of the cheapest stuff out there (barring, say, newsprint). If you're concerned about ink bleeding onto the other side, you would be concerned enough to prevent it altogether by buying good quality paper. Or you'd at least learn from your mistakes and buy the better paper next time. Even unlined paper of the same quality as notebook paper is still better than notebook paper because it's lacking the lines.

I'm as big a penny-pincher as any artist out there. I'll paint on cardboard, scrap wood, and even notebook paper for crying out loud. But when it comes down to it, even I will buy the better supplies when I know that's what I need for a project.

I don't own goats, dawg. Years ago a friend of mine was allergic to cow's milk so they bought three dairy goats and when they went out of town (besides feeding sheep, cows, chickens, and horses), I had to milk their goats. I don't even like goats' milk.

[Dj_Zexx_Xion]

Well a company has to make money,Also XD the jump for printer paper keeps going up.Buying paper in large amounts the difference is seen. I don't think this is a argument of what should be the paper you draw on, but weather its exceptable to draw on lined paper and call it a art piece.
Scenes there is quite a large amount of "penny pincher" artists out there and like the song say "only technics have guidelines". If your in a bind and depending on wear you are and what you may be able to offered, lined paper is more then ok to make what ever type of master piece you like. Weather its drawing, painting ( I dont know how you would do that be hella hard ) or heck just making a paper air plain.
One of the biggest things I think art teachers try to get across to students is let, norms be norms. Find your own thing. Yes the type of paper use can be a small thing, but you shouldn't look at your art like "Oh its not professional or good" because you used lined paper. That could be part of your nich. If you feel comfortable on lined paper and your bast work comes out on lined paper more power to ya.
Wow man thats thing for ya. Goats milks ok I like goat cheese more. If I knew how to milk cows i'd probably have one illegally so i could have cereal for the rest of my life 0.0!

[Zaquille]

MiKEYxCORE

DragonSpirit63

It's not the fact that we're lazy, line paper is cheaper and with you're other family members going threw the white paper like there's no tomorrow it's just easier to use line paper.

As several people have already established, lined paper and white paper cost roughly the same, so stop using "white paper costs more" as an argument.

Furthermore, as if the rest of your family doesn't use lined paper also? I went through way more lined paper taking notes and doing assignments than the printer paper I drew on. And when my parents bitched me out for drawing on the nice paper, I pointed out that it cost just as much as any other paper we bought, so what was the big deal? I also don't understand how "everyone is using the printer paper" supports your argument for using lined paper. At all.

Using lined paper to make art (not doodles/sketches) amounts to nothing more than laziness. Case ******** closed.

@Martian: yeah, it's the fallacy of equivocation that half the people on this thread are committing. They don't recognize the difference between sketching/doodling, and actually trying to make good art.

SKETCHING/DOODLING =/= ART, PPL.

My family doesn't use line paper -.- their more into note pads so I get the paper that you have to manully put into a binder, unless its school season which then I buy my own that lasts about 2 years while if I bought white paper it's considered a free for all. I don't know where you are but here in Canada, its .05 cents for a pack of line paper, while white paper is more 1.99. It's the process that makes white paper more costly so the difference from .05 and 1.99 isn't small unless you get it on sale, and good luck with that.

It's sad that you're parents b***h about you drawing on nice paper....my mom insists on me drawing on it since it came be framed.

It not lazy-ness either, the fact that you're drawing strait on white paper is more lazy then me on line paper. For me to be done with a drawing, I got to do the sketch then make sure that it isn't a crappy drawing once I fixed it all up and made it look pretty for white paper I then trace it onto white paper and ink & color. So I am adding another step and just making sure that my drawing is proportionate so I'm improving myself as an artist.

ALSOOOO sketching and doodling is in itself an art form, and half the time the sketches and doodles is the good art. Just because SOME artists want to put some more insurance that the body is proportionate they draw on line paper. We all have our different ways to our art and that makes us different since now everyone is drawing the main stream anime.

[welian]

I drew a really good picture on lined paper once. It stated out as a doodle, then turned into a sketch. Of course, I've improved a bit since then, but I really want to color it. I'll have to make a light box, and trace it onto some clean drawing paper.

Such is the price to pay.

[Lexille]

but... but... lined paper is all i have to use in class... D:

my college professors are computer paper hogs... wont share...

[xX-DeadMansParty-Xx]

n a o yukii

I love the line paper texture. XD<3 Scan your inclass doodle, colour it with SAI or Photoshop. * U * haa.

I don't think mediums are important. It's skill/talent that matters, not where you draw it on or what you draw it with.

I agree
as long as it looks good, who cares if it's scraweled on the floor with a peice of chalk.
that's not what art's about

[MUMZIE]

i was just posting on the art arena,and there was this one picture of this girl.
it was on lined paper and it looked horrible!!she looked like a stick figure only they were Popsicle sticks!but nobody said it looked bad,or that lined paper is stupid.all they said was nice,looks nice,10/10,she looks genuinely happy!and that was the only time iv ever really seen a drawing on lined paper.

[Bubble_Love136]

i guess i dont know how to draw

[MiKEYxCORE]

DJ: I already made a point several pages back about intentional use of lined paper as a commentary in my artwork, so I'm not going there again. I'm arguing against people using lined paper "just because." True art never has a "just because." Everything has a reason and a purpose. It's like those people who, when you point out a small flaw in the anatomy or lighting or whatever in their drawing, immediately defend themselves with, "Well that's just MY STYLE." People are doing the same thing here.

Why does printer paper keep going up, besides normal inflation? It's not like we import that along with our fruit and gasoline.

Most of the time owning cows isn't illegal. It's not like they're marijuana plants.

Dragon Spirit: well, my parents don't yell at me anymore because I get sketchbooks. ._. It was years ago when I used normal printer paper, because sketchbooks always fell apart on me (most likely because I always got really crappy ones - go figure).

Sketching/doodling is not an art form, sorry. It's a way to practice, nothing more. When a sketch is good, the artist refines it into a piece of finished art, thereby no longer being a sketch. Also, not everyone draws anime. A lot of 15-year old Naruto-lovers draw anime. Most kids in art school do not. I'd say 95% don't.

Also, I'm in the USofA so I had no idea about Canadian paper prices. All I know is you guys pay more for everything because you guys make more money, but five cents for a pack of paper? +_+ How many sheets are you getting? Three?

[GoG Anon]

I don't care if someone draws on the inside of a potato chip bag, if the art is good, I have no complaints. Work with what you have at the time, eh?

[Zaquille]

MiKEYxCORE

Dragon Spirit: well, my parents don't yell at me anymore because I get sketchbooks. ._. It was years ago when I used normal printer paper, because sketchbooks always fell apart on me (most likely because I always got really crappy ones - go figure).

Sketching/doodling is not an art forum, sorry. It's a way to practice, nothing more. When a sketch is good, the artist refines it into a piece of finished art, thereby no longer being a sketch. Also, not everyone draws anime. A lot of 15-year old Naruto-lovers draw anime. Most kids in art school do not. I'd say 95% don't.

Also, I'm in the USofA so I had no idea about Canadian paper prices. All I know is you guys pay more for everything because you guys make more money, but five cents for a pack of paper? +_+ How many sheets are you getting? Three?

Ya, its the same for me. Dollar store sketch books xD god their terrible...

I don't see why sketching can't be considered an art forum to some people. Artist have painted a canvas completely black and it ends up in a museum of modern art and others just paint an orange background and then platter paint on it, let it bleed then smear it with a paint brush and it gets called art. But if it's sketching or doodling its automatically not art. I don't see the differece between a completely black canvas and a semmi messy drawing. Just because its not the finilazied product doesn't mean its not art. There are tones of art forums out there, and I don't think it would make a difference if artists are allowed to consider their sketchs and doodles art also. Leonardo da Vinci's sketches sell for millions and their considered the most praised of his work (from what I heard). Just because there isn't a famous name attached to it doesn't mean it can't be called art.

We technically don't make more money then you. We're just not in a panic mode like you guys are, you just had a stupid president that invested into a war big friggen woop get over it. Every country is bound to go in a rescission in a couple of years it's how money works. I would make more money if I was living some US states, the minimum pay here is only around 8 bucks so that's not the reason. Only reason it's .05 for a pack of 500 is because we're surrounded by tree's and all of it has to get recycled, since its recycled it doesn't have the same quality as paper that's fresh from the tree so it's pretty much all put in newspapers and line paper.

And to comment on you're country not importing tree's. More then half you're nations, I would say 90% of it, came from CANADIAN tree's. Same with cows, but it's less then 90% I would say around 30%.

[Rare Opal Dragon]

So happy you didn't agree with the forum name. I was about to rant like you did in your paragraph. I totally agree, once my dog ate my sketchbook so all I had to use was lined paper. I got nothing but "AUGH THIS IS TERRIBLE BLAH BLAH RANT!!!!!1111" and as if one person like that wasn't enough I got at least twenty. Lined paper can actually be helpful for anatomy etc... but some people don't understand that. What ever the case for their rude comments is it sure is confusing. Anyway great topic 10/10 ^^

[Boobzilla]

I'm too tired so if this is a redundant post, I'm sorry:

Lined paper skews perception for both the artist and the viewer. It hampers the artist from drawing freely and it hampers the viewer from viewing freely. The same thing with grid paper, although in an art class you may use grid paper.

A decent scanner program and or a decent photo editing program (not necessarily Photoshop, even) can edit out blue lines or the faint gray lines of notebook paper easily. I've even sketched in legal pads and been able to edit out the green and red lines without PS.

It's advice worth repeating, since a lot of people don't seem to get the point here.

[JessiDlux93]

Thank you!

I actually use Lined Paper, or moreso, Notebook paper, for all of my art.
I edit it on my computer, but I do start on the notebook.

I bring it here, tell how I shall edit it if it looks alright, asking for critique on the actual stuff, and all I get is ons about the lines!

If I can successuflly edit them out, and I always have, why's it gotta matter?


---Also.

I actually have adapted to Notebook Paper. I have a harder time drawing without the lines to space and equalize.
I'd post an exsample, but I'm on my laptop.

Either way. I dunno. It's easier for me.
And no harms done.

[Oh, and yes, for some things rather than others, lined paper is a bit... less useful. But we can't really afford sketchbooks. Only one I've ever gotten was because somebody left it at the lunch table...]

[Uronoro]

eek Why is this thread still still going on? Is lined notebook paper that controversial? People like to doodle, it's still art and there's nothing wrong with it. Calm down. gonk