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Yes, you're right. History suggests a massive drought killed 15 million of them in practically one day.

Yay for humanism! I totally agree with what Vryko says here.

Right you are - But if history is any sort of teacher, then the suspicion that the world is going to end on a date because of some prophecy is a failure in logic. The world should have ended dozens of times by now, where religious folks right. Big surprise! They were wrong, every time, just like they're wrong about practically everything else.

Infact, the entire 2012 story is wrapped up in many mythological stories, not only the Mayans but the Sumerians too. Some doomsayers claim that the world will be brought to an end on 2012 by a planetary collision with Nibiru or "planet x" as some call it. Yet others claim that this planet will only come close to our planet, but close enough to cause a global catastrophe. This is where you start to see the hybridization of the Mayan Calender and Sumerian Mythos. See, Nibiru (actually Jupiter) was a planet that the Anunaki came from. The leader of the planet sent a Anunaki named Enki to the earth to mine gold. There was so much gold there, that Enki created humans as slaves to help him mine gold. However, Enki was not getting the job fast enough, so the leader at Nibiru (again Jupiter) sent Enki's brother - Enlil to oversee the operation. The Sumerian Prophecy says that after the passing of 3,600 years the planet (Jupiter!) would cross paths with earth again and the Anunaki would then destroy the earth.

However, from the Mayan standpoint its impossible to tell if the calendar actually says the world will end. From my understanding, the calender only stops, and people assume this means the world will end. However, in order to determine that you must isolate WHY the calender actually comes to a halt. In one of the greatest mysteries that history has to offer, nearly 15 MILLION Mayans died in practically one day. For a long time historians didn't know what could have taken them out. But recently, evidence in lake beds point to a massive drought around the time that the Mayans died. It is highly likely that the sculptor of the calender simply became too weak to go on and more, and the last date he entered was 12/21/12. A date which actually as nothing at all to do with the end of the world.

On the idea of polar shifts - These have happened in the past, we can observe the history of these at the ocean bottom. It has been found that polar shifts are not consistent with global extinction. As for bursting sunspots - that could actually pose a problem. A big pulse would certainly take out some satellites around our planet, which would cause a global catastrophe, but it would not be a world ending event. Simple preparation could help cushion the blow from this possible event. However, scientists have been wrong, can be wrong again. It's highly possible that the magnetic burst from the sun will do nothing at all.

The world is not going to end in 2012. The religious told us the world would end in: 2800 BC, 1st centry AD predicted by Jesus, 155 AD, 970 ad, 1284, 1504, 1524, 1533, 1648, 1666, 1794, 1814, 1836,1844, 1847, 1874, 1881, 1910, 1914,1919,1967, 1969,1980,1982,1987,1988,1992,1993,1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2006, 2007, & 2008. If they were correct the world would have ended a several dozen times over by now. If history is any teacher, then the world is absolutely NOT ending in 2012. Sure, the end of the world WILL come, but it is not a date we will ever be able to isolate, we will never know when where how or why. The end will certainly come, but it will come in lue of warnings from primitive farming cultures such as the Mayans.

I wonder, if in the same way, Wolves might be forcing deer to evolve? A pack culls the heard, actually benefiting it because only the sick and weak are eaten. This means that only the fastest, strongest, smartest deer will live to pass their genes onto the next generation.

It's a cool dynamic I like to think about. Wolves are obviously smarter then deer, I don't think there's much arguing that, so it's not as though wolves are in any danger of being surpassed by their cloven hoofed prey any time soon. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the canines are easily capable of maintaining the margin of intellect between them and their prey.

Well, all they're really seen doing is consuming whatever matter or energy gets near them. I don't understand them much, and I doubt many people do, but they for all intensive purposes seem to be totally destructive.




lol thanks. I try not to misrepresent science when I can help it. sweatdrop







Source, please?









That's just it. Our super massive black hole IS asleep. There isn't anything falling into it because it isn't actively consuming at the moment.




This tidbit of information is what I'm refering to. Larger black holes tend to consume smaller ones. So, setting aside the fact that The Earth and our Moon could never become black holes because they're not Red Giants (which I know wasn't your point), the study I linked you to suggests that if the orbits of the respective 'planetary bodies' were to intersect, The Earth sized black hole would consume The Moon sized one and result in an even larger black hole. Consider the idea that there are hundreds of earth crossing meteorites - these would be tasty morsels for a black hole which would over a relatively short period of time cause the black hole to grow larger and larger in size. It would have a chance of becoming a competitor for the sun's energy and possibly end up devouring it as well.

On the intersection of Our Galaxy and Andromeda, it's true that the intersection is not gravity related, but it's likely that Andromeda contains a super massive black hole just as our galaxy does. Still, the larger of the two black holes will consume the other, resulting in an even larger black hole. This super massive black hole will be compacting the information of two galaxies instead of just one. More collisions and intersections are likely in our galactic future. Our galaxy will likely consume, or end up being consumed by other galaxies. To me this seems to echo the law of the jungle "Kill or be killed." This process, over an exceedingly long period of time, could lead to a 'super galaxy', if you may. A conglomerate of hundreds of billions of galaxies, with a super massive black hole at its heart, unlike any we've ever seen before.





Source please?




Perhaps you're right, but the idea of a universe that can continually devour and rebirth its self by the use of black holes is a pretty interesting concept me thinks.

Black Holes are extremely dangerous, & mysterious bodies in the universe. They seem to represent destruction, and nothing else. But, I've started to wonder that they may perform a purpose in the universe its self.

We all know what happens when a body or any form of matter or energy gets near enough to a black hole's Event Horizon. Whatever "it" is, "it" gets caught in a massive gravitational whirlpool and starts to stretch "it" all the way down to the width of a single atom in a process called "spaghettification" after word it gets sucked down into the heart of the black hole, to a place we we call a singularity. Science starts to fall apart at this point, scientists aren't sure of what happens to matter when it reaches the singularity. And, the point of this thread is my personal hypothesis of what may possibly happen to matter IN that singularity.

I believe the super gravity of the black hole compacts all the 'information' which makes up the matter consumed, and compacts it all the way down to a single molecule. I believe there could be an unbelievably tiny, and unimaginably dense pea of matter at the bottom of the gravity well. All of the 'information' gathered from the universe is practically win-zipped up into a packet. -Note: by saying 'Information' I refer to the molecular make up of whatever matter or energy is being consumed by the black hole.-

But, this is where my hypothesis gets interesting because black holes don't stop there. Black Holes, because of being gigantic gravity wells, seem to be drawn to one and other from across the great reaches of our universe, and when they come together they become one body. The information they contain is further pressed together by the super gravity of the combined black holes. The larger a black hole gets, the more likely it becomes to absorb other black holes. It's a fact that the heart of our galaxy lies a super massive black hole, which is currently 'asleep' and not consuming 'information' at the moment. It is also known that the Milky Way and Andromeda are on a collision course with one and other.

At any rate - What I'm suggesting is that over an exceedingly long time scale, a good chuck of the 'information' that makes the universe could indeed be 'stored' at the hearts of black holes which attract one and other. Perhaps, some time in the future, a portion of the 'information' that make up our universe is being stored, will all be jammed into one singularity in a single super massive black hole. Perhaps all of the 'information', being so much, ( I mean, it contains a good portion of the prior universe) and so compacted onto its self becomes unstable and results in an expansion?

Maybe this has happened before, and maybe it's happening again? I don't mean to wax on about naturalism, but the cycle of nature is the living becoming the dead, and then death its self supports life. Back and fourth, to and fro, black and white, you know what I'm getting at. Maybe the universe has been in the very same cycle of life, death, and rebirth for longer then we could possibly know?

I invite all who read this topic to say what they believe about my hypothesis. Note that I do not claim ownership of said hypothesis, because I don't know if any other scientists have suggested this very cycle. The end of the universe is generally outlined with three end scenarios which are the big freeze, the big crunch, or the big rip. This suggests something that isn't really implicated in any of those theories, as I have come to understand them. Again, feel free to remark if what you have to say is relevant to the topic. I'm sure you'll kindly weed out whatever inconsistencies you find in my hypothesis. Please, discuss.

Sure it is. Take a look at resveratrol It's a pill, which is available in the open market today. Resveratrol Proteins seem to hault the aging process, by keeping telemores in tact. It has several other effects on the body as well, such as fighting cancer, heart disease, and diabetes which are 3 HUGE health risks in western society today. We're closer then most people realize to being able to tweak the genome.

If we can't make wings grow, we can graft them on in a similar fashion to how they can graft a human ear to a mouse's back side. Once the wings have taken, it becomes a matter of getting the body's musculature and systems to allow the wings to function well.

For this, several steps would need to be taken. We'd need greater muscular density, and lower skeletal density, we'd also need to tweak the release of formic and lactic acid in muscles so they could fly for a longer time. Hell, perhaps something like an exoskeleton could be applied, so the pressure of flight is not actually exerted on our muscles, instead the machine does the work for us? Then again, that's cybernetics and not just genetics. However, technology IS the answer, and there's no questioning that. We'll find a way, it's just a matter of time. heart

I think Sir Hawking is working on this conundrum with "M Theory" or String theory as others know it. M Theory, as little as I understand of it, attempts to bring QM and and GR into a theory of 'the universe and everything.' And, before I feel too strongly compelled to make silly scifi movie references I'm going to stop talking. lol