Hypothetical Question: Passing a Piss Test

[FagNewton]

Alright, so I have a hypothetical question. If someone were to have a piss test, and they don't watch, would pouring some water in with the pee make it harder to detect THC content, which a person may or may not have in their system as they write this?

Furthermore, if that same person pours in a trace amount of salt and ammonia into said sample, would those two items cover-up or intensify the THC content of the urine?

To make the question easier, the person in question is just shy of 6ft tall and roughly 130lbs with a fast to very fast metabolism, and THC was consumed roughly 2-3 days ago, with a urinary analysis for a job being tomorrow.

[FagNewton]

Seriously? Nobody in a scientific forum has an opinion on this?

[logan the god of candy]

no, no it would not.

it's widely speculated that drinking lots of water would help to cleanse your system, but be careful that you don't get water poisoning. of course, if this were to be plausible, then a better idea would be blueberries, grapes(juice,wine, what have you) other purple/blue fruits or tea would be far more efficient.

you could also save urine samples, get a clear tube that you could attach to a rubber/ plastic container capable of holding and releasing liquids....then hide it and tape the tube (which would be attached to the container) to the bottom of your p***s (would run the tube through a small hole in the pocket) and you could squeeze urine out of said container through the tube, under your p***s and into a cup to simulate the act of urinating. simple enough, yes?

[FagNewton]

logan the god of candy

no, no it would not.

No what would not?

In theory, it could work by masking the THC content by adding in more of what's already there naturally.

[logan the god of candy]

FagNewton

logan the god of candy

no, no it would not.

No what would not?

In theory, it could work by masking the THC content by adding in more of what's already there naturally.

edited my first post. but no, it would not mask anything. not in theory, not in anything... known lots a cats that have tried many things with many different substances.

[FagNewton]

logan the god of candy

FagNewton

logan the god of candy

no, no it would not.

No what would not?

In theory, it could work by masking the THC content by adding in more of what's already there naturally.

edited my first post. but no, it would not mask anything. not in theory, not in anything... known lots a cats that have tried many things with many different substances.

Luckily this is only one source I've posed this question to...

What about creating artificial urine using the same chemical breakdown as urine? Honestly, urine is 95% water, leaving only 5% effort, right?

[Darkphantom]

FagNewton

What about creating artificial urine using the same chemical breakdown as urine? Honestly, urine is 95% water, leaving only 5% effort, right?

*chuckles* oh lol.

No haha... no.

Primates have unique urine in the animal kingdom, We actually have Urea aswell as trace amounts of Uric acid which is produced by out lack of uricase and the metabolism of purines. You can't emulate such a process it would be horribly complicated in a lab and mixing animal urine would be SO obvious because of this primate only feature. So unless you have a chimp in your back yard...

Birds only produce Uric acid and other mammals only produce Urea.
If you really need to pass such a test just pay some straight edge science nerd like me $50 to piddle in a bottle for you.

Edit: Oh you might also get away with it if you have a dalmatian dog.
http://www.worthington-biochem.com/UP/default.html

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This reaction represents the termination of purine catabolism in all mammals excluding man, higher apes and the Dalmatian dog.

It's one of the peculiarities of nature if I recall they have a kidney defect that prevents the forming of the enzyme I described.

[FagNewton]

Darkphantom

FagNewton

What about creating artificial urine using the same chemical breakdown as urine? Honestly, urine is 95% water, leaving only 5% effort, right?

*chuckles* oh lol.

No haha... no.

Primates have unique urine in the animal kingdom, We actually have Urea aswell as trace amounts of Uric acid which is produced by out lack of uricase and the metabolism of purines. You can't emulate such a process it would be horribly complicated in a lab and mixing animal urine would be SO obvious because of this primate only feature. So unless you have a chimp in your back yard...

Birds only produce Uric acid and other mammals only produce Urea.
If you really need to pass such a test just pay some straight edge science nerd like me $50 to piddle in a bottle for you.

Edit: Oh you might also get away with it if you have a dalmatian dog.
http://www.worthington-biochem.com/UP/default.html

Quote:

This reaction represents the termination of purine catabolism in all mammals excluding man, higher apes and the Dalmatian dog.

It's one of the peculiarities of nature if I recall they have a kidney defect that prevents the forming of the enzyme I described.

I was aware of the urea, and I'm getting a condescending vibe from you, but I'll continue. Is there a way to fool the strips? What I'm getting at is this:

As I've been told, the usual strip functions by reacting to water and the chemicals found in the usual drugs. If one were to make a fake urine, who could possibly tell the difference, so is it possible?

[Darkphantom]

FagNewton

I was aware of the urea, and I'm getting a condescending vibe from you, but I'll continue. Is there a way to fool the strips? What I'm getting at is this:

As I've been told, the usual strip functions by reacting to water and the chemicals found in the usual drugs. If one were to make a fake urine, who could possibly tell the difference, so is it possible?

If you were to make human urine yes but it's impossible to do so with a chemistry set if that's what your getting at.

Hold on I will quickly read up on how they do such drug tests.

They use an immunoassay. Which means they take a sample of the piss, and they add Antibodies that bind with Drug metabolites, Urine, Uric acid or Human Serum. They may also test these days for unnatural chemicals which can be added afterwards to break down or alter said chemicals to check for adulteration.

They would expect a positive result from the human Serum result before they test for the drug metabolites If they get a negative on that test they know there not dealing with human urine and will automatically fail that result. Or least declare the sample invalid.

Human Serum cannot be gotten from anywhere other than human fluids although you can fractionate it out of human blood You can't really mix up a batch of synthetic urine in the way you seem to imply.

[Dr Dimari]

The simple answer is no. You'll need a lot of kit that we only have in hospitals to do it. The only thing I could suggest is drink plenty of fluids and get hold of diuretic to keep peeing before tomorrow.

[underweargnome]

Just adding water to the urine would only dilute it- it wouldn't work unless you added a TON of water, but then everything else would be diluted so they'd know you faked it.

I've heard the whole rapid water + sweating detox can work, but it's still pretty dumb to smoke up a week before you have a drug test.

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

Most of the times drug urine tests have a temperature strip, a color guide, and test for a few outside chemicals that help identify tampered samples.

Pouring water in will just make your urine seem dilute. I believe those tests check osmolality, so if it's super low they'll probably notice. You won't be able to pour in enough water to mask the THC without diluting the urine too much.

[n-n-Dimethyltryptamine]

direct dilution of your sample will ******** you up with colour, temperature and molality

drink two litres of water a day in the week leading up to your test, munch a few vitamin b-complex for colouration and megadose vitamin c on the day before as well as lots of greasy, fatty food, on the day of the test (if you can eget one) an effective acyl-CoA dehydrogenase inhibitor, a dilute bicarbonate drip and/or something to bind to and precip out (such as a chelate or suitable salt) cholic acid, glycine and taurine conjugates.

[Akhenaton of man]

If there is a trace amount of THC, then it will be found. Not to mention that you would get fired/arrested just as quickly for cheating the test as you would failing it.

[analog_warrior]

Careful if you're thinking of cheating. I took one for my job and she took the tempurature.