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Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:19 am
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baka_boy1221 APinoySuperHero baka_boy1221 the_dead_poet1221 APinoySuperHero
Woah all of the sudden people arent calling Rich Franklin special any more beacuse, Silva came in and they forgot who dominance looks like. Its like beating the best in your division isnt special any more. Also it was Lutter's fault for not being in shape and regardless if he wasnt gassed out Silva dominated him so bad it wouldnt have mattered the shape. Marquardt was also considerd to be a very well rounded fighter almost like your Forrest Griffin. Guess what he crushed him too. Stop trying to take out the credibility out of Silva because he has fought the best UFC has to offer him and those fighters were fairly good but, in comparisson to Silva he there are miles away. Also you say Griffin can easily dominate Silva. Name one aspect Griffin is better in Silva in. Stand Up not even close, Griffin doesnt have the aim or power of Silva let alone timing. Which is how Rashad caught Griffin. On the ground its abit more even but, still Silva was able to hang with Hendo who has amazing wrestling and was able to fend off him on his back. Though Griffin's chin I would consider the best ever seen along with heart at the end of the day he is still getting face beat and the ref is going to have to stop it. Griffin better have a damn good game plan to try and step in with Silva and if he does its going to be a replay of Silva's last two fights. Reminding you that Silva's game plan is proven against all the fighters he goes against. He lures them then counters them and its all over from there. So please dont act like Silva isnt one of the best in the world because it clear that he is.
Griffin can pull this out. If not through skill, then through heart. He will make it a war, and I don't think Silva that we saw when he burst onto the scene, will not be there. Silva has been replaced by someone who has become weighed downed by the titile of pound-for-pound for to long. Now I am not putting into question his abilities, but look at his last two fights and tell me in a straight face that they were completly dominating. Griffin has a chance. He has proved so many people wrong in the past. He can still do it now.
Yeah Forrst is usually at his best when he is the underdog.
What the ******** does Silva has to prove. He could dance like a monkey and rub his nuts like Rashad but, its the challengers that have somthing to prove. My point is Anderson is still dominanting his oppenents in the points catagory and is winning fights. If thats his new game plan which really isnt new because he has always had this counter punching type style then so be it. People have finally figured out that if your trying to lure Silva into your game plan its not happening. He is a master at sticking to his game plan and thats counter punching. Just ask Leben and Franklin what happens when you try step against Silva. You get KO'd and no one wants to get KO'd and so far what Silva does is winning him fights unlike Forrest who just lost to Rashad and who would have lost to Machida. Be honest with yourself for a minute. Heart only gets you so far until the ref has to stop it because Forrest decided to eat one to many knees.
Heart is sometimes all you need. Forrest is like the Rocky of MMA. It is just now that his skill is matched up with his heart. But I see your points. But it is MMA, anything can happen.
That's true
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Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:18 am
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Trop.exe the_dead_poet1221 Trop.exe baka_boy1221 Trop.exe Kenny is far too overrated IMO. He's definitely a good fighter but I think against big Lightweights he'd get run over, especially against guys like Gray Maynard. You get those good strong wrestlers on him and they'll manhandle Kenny. I have done three seminars with Sherk now and he keeps telling me that Kenny would still lose to him off of takedowns alone. If Kenny manages to beat Penn then Sherk will simply take it away from him.
Realize though Penn is not a wrestler, he is a BJJ specialist. There is a difference there.
I know that Penn is not a wrestler, but I was referring to guys with great wrestling backgrounds like Maynard who could use their size to make Kenny look bad like Sanchez did; noting that Sanchez is not a wrestler either.
Sanchez at the time of the Ultimate Fight, howver was a Gaidojutsu expert. Gaidojutsu combines a lot of wrestling and jiu-jitsu. So in a way Sanchez was a wrestler, just not a purist.
Question is will Sanchez counter this and if he does, what does Clay Guida has to do. Diego Sanchez could possible counter the wrestling. What's left is the stand up, and I give a slight edge to Sanchez. He is more versitile in his striking. Clay Guida is kinda like a cave man when it come to striking. It is not as technical.
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Wed May 27, 2009 10:38 pm
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APinoySuperHero Trop.exe APinoySuperHero Trop.exe APinoySuperHero Just found this topic. Sorry if I get us off topic abit here but, when or if Silva beats Griffin who does he have left as a challenge. He could fight GSP because natrually GSP walks around 190ish so its possible. Though if they were to fight I feel that GSP will proably get dominated in the standup and have a hard time keeping Silva on his back. Though GSP proably has the best wrestling Silva has ever gone up against (equal or abit aboved Hendo give or take). So he still does have a shot against Silva. Its just that Silva is proably the most dominant fighter between him and Fedor to ever grace the planet.
Right because Hendo doesnt have some of the best wrestling in the game. Anyone with dominant wrestling can now beat him. Also one of his losses was from DQ and shouldnt have counted against him. Plus Anderson Silva destroyed the whole MW division. Rich Franklin had to actually move up because he couldn't fight Silva without everyone already knowing the out come. Mind you knowing that Rich Franklin had his regien over the MW division and most that he was one of the most dominant MWs and Silva took him out.
Woah all of the sudden people arent calling Rich Franklin special any more beacuse, Silva came in and they forgot who dominance looks like. Its like beating the best in your division isnt special any more. Also it was Lutter's fault for not being in shape and regardless if he wasnt gassed out Silva dominated him so bad it wouldnt have mattered the shape. Marquardt was also considerd to be a very well rounded fighter almost like your Forrest Griffin. Guess what he crushed him too. Stop trying to take out the credibility out of Silva because he has fought the best UFC has to offer him and those fighters were fairly good but, in comparisson to Silva he there are miles away. Also you say Griffin can easily dominate Silva. Name one aspect Griffin is better in Silva in. Stand Up not even close, Griffin doesnt have the aim or power of Silva let alone timing. Which is how Rashad caught Griffin. On the ground its abit more even but, still Silva was able to hang with Hendo who has amazing wrestling and was able to fend off him on his back. Though Griffin's chin I would consider the best ever seen along with heart at the end of the day he is still getting face beat and the ref is going to have to stop it. Griffin better have a damn good game plan to try and step in with Silva and if he does its going to be a replay of Silva's last two fights. Reminding you that Silva's game plan is proven against all the fighters he goes against. He lures them then counters them and its all over from there. So please dont act like Silva isnt one of the best in the world because it clear that he is.
Griffin can pull this out. If not through skill, then through heart. He will make it a war, and I don't think Silva that we saw when he burst onto the scene, will not be there. Silva has been replaced by someone who has become weighed downed by the titile of pound-for-pound for to long. Now I am not putting into question his abilities, but look at his last two fights and tell me in a straight face that they were completly dominating. Griffin has a chance. He has proved so many people wrong in the past. He can still do it now.
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Wed May 27, 2009 10:26 pm
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Trop.exe baka_boy1221 Trop.exe Kenny is far too overrated IMO. He's definitely a good fighter but I think against big Lightweights he'd get run over, especially against guys like Gray Maynard. You get those good strong wrestlers on him and they'll manhandle Kenny. I have done three seminars with Sherk now and he keeps telling me that Kenny would still lose to him off of takedowns alone. If Kenny manages to beat Penn then Sherk will simply take it away from him.
Realize though Penn is not a wrestler, he is a BJJ specialist. There is a difference there.
I know that Penn is not a wrestler, but I was referring to guys with great wrestling backgrounds like Maynard who could use their size to make Kenny look bad like Sanchez did; noting that Sanchez is not a wrestler either.
Sanchez at the time of the Ultimate Fighter, however was a Gaidojutsu expert. Gaidojutsu combines a lot of wrestling and jiu-jitsu. So in a way Sanchez was a wrestler, just not a purist.
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Wed May 27, 2009 10:21 pm
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Trop.exe Forrest v. Silva - This is probably the hardest to predict given that it all depends on what fighter shows up with Forrest, the smart tactical one or the one that allows his emotions to get the best of him. The smart Forrest is going to use his size, work his way inside, force Silva against the fence and eventually take Silva down, hold him down there long enough to win rounds. Silva's guard is not active just like Quinton's and we saw what the result was of that. If Forrest makes it a stand up fight, expect to see Forrest eating a ton of jabs and having to have facial reconstruction.
Evans v. Machida - Machida is definitively the favourite for this fight. He's a much more technical striker, much faster than Evans and has an underrated ground game compared to Evans. Everyone seems to forget that Lyoto trained in wrestling with one of Japan's top wrestlers since he was fifteen, threw Tito around; something Rashad could not do. Machida trains extremely hard and have not heard anything in regards to him having a weak chin and given how hard his brother kicks I think he'll be able to deal with Evan's power.
Davis v. Hardy - Marcus Davis has better hands, better footwork, and is the better striker. His ground game is definitely improving and I am sure that he has been training that far more extensively than Dan Hardy is in England. Marcus Davis should win this quite easily.
Also while the UFC is a very professional organization it is not the best organization as the UFC has become more focused on making money now that it has grown in popularity so much and not giving the fans who have supported it and made it what it is today what they want to see which is the best versus the best, not marketable fighter versus marketable fighter.
Hardy, however doesn't train exclusively in England. He trains BJJ with Eddie Bravo.
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Favorite Ultimate Fighter
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Sat May 16, 2009 12:35 am
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Who's your favorite Ultimate Fighter? Should be simple enough?
Please note, any other season beyond six cannot be posted on the poll, but feel free to talk about Amir Sadollah, Efrain Escudero, and Ryan Bader.
Don't like any of the winners, then talk about the alums.
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Web cast Gaia Panel at Fanime, got questions? - UPDATED 5/21
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Sat May 16, 2009 12:09 am
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Wait Oh I'm going to Fanime. Nevermind
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Fri May 15, 2009 11:20 pm
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baka_boy1221 Trop.exe It's okay because once Kenny loses to BJ and Diego wins or loses Kenny will be asking for Diego since he can't handle the wrestlers.
I don't know. I think Kenny Florian has a chance of beating BJ Penn.
I agree. Kenny Florian basically took out all the previous contenters to get to this point. He may just win this one.
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Hardcore UFC FANS!!!
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Wed May 13, 2009 11:29 pm
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baka_boy1221 xDaddyx baka_boy1221 www.youtube.com/howgspcheatedxDaddyx Why the hell does everyone think GSP is the best champion.. ??
Quite frankly I think he's garbage and had to cheat against BJ Penn and got busted for it too.
He did cheat ... but not how you think
www.youtube.com
I watched it and I have to say it was a little gay..
Hilarious though
Yeah it was
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Wed May 13, 2009 11:22 pm
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Stratamagnus I see what you mean, I just feel like Clay won't have anything to say on his feet but he's going to aggressively cling to Diego. That is what I'm interested in. If Diego can stop Clay's pace and wrestling.
I don't think that is possible. Guida is relentless.
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