I'm not sure if I've discovered something.

[Asphalt Lion]

I really like patterns, and I really like the whole concept of relative minors. I don't know why, it just really intrigues me.

Futzing around, I came up with this:
Hey, click me!

So here's what I did:
I put down an octave in half-steps starting with C and ending with B, and took the relative minor of each starting note, and then the relative minor of that, etc, until it circled around again (there's no point really in repeating it over and over again). So that's the first chart.
Just for grins, I (starting again with C) went diagonally down until the pattern would cycle again. The neat thing is, I didn't make the half-step octave list for the second chart. It just so happened that the relative minor of the last note in this pattern was the starting note of the next line. What's really cool is that when I did the diagonally-down thing with this one, it made the first chart again.
When I went diagonally up in the second chart, it just made a descending half-step octave.
Going back to the original chart, I went diagonally up and made the third chart, the one at the bottom. Diagonally up on that one makes the circle of fifths (I don't know if the circle actually goes on as far as the list, but I know it starts out the same: CGDAE, etc). Diagonally down makes the first chart again.

Now, I don't really know a whole lot about music theory, and I don't really know a whole lot about music history, so I don't know if I've stumbled upon something that matters at all, of if it's just nonsense. Either way, I think it's neat.

Can anybody shed any light on this?

[Brass Scherzo]

Basically what you've got here is just a massive list of intervals.

The relative minor of a key is based on the sixth scale degree of the major key. Thus, C major's relative minor is A minor (the C major scale being C D E F G A B C). A major sixth above A yields an F#, which in turn yields a D# (not an Eb like you've got there. Yes I realize they're the same note, but I'm being technical and that's what it would be called.)

Okay, so that's your first chart, a 'circle of sixths' or something if you will. Now going down diagonally and to the right from the starting note of C, you get Bb, which is a major sixth and a semitone away, also known as a minor seventh. Now, as you've probably noticed, as you go down this chart, each note is lower by a semitone. A semitone below a minor seventh is going to put you back at a major sixth, which is going to put you right back at the beginning.

Your "up and to the right" chart gives a major sixth above minus a semitone, which is a minor sixth. Up and to the right from this chart gives you the circle of fifths because a semitone below a minor sixth is a perfect fifth.

Long story short, your chart and its derivatives is going to give you some variant on intervals of a major sixth. As you move up and down on the chart, you're adding and subtracting semitones from that interval because the original chart is arranged with each row being a semitone apart.

So, no, you haven't discovered anything new, sorry. But, you do now have access to a handy chart of intervals!

I hope this all made sense.

[liongirl515]

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[Deathsensation]

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What the [********] do you bother posting in here?

Anyway it's a bit tl;dr for me at 5 in the morning, but I read half the first post and it's interesting. I'll checkread it tomorrow.

[Krausse Kreugar]

Yeah, you basically just made an interval chart.

There's no conventional theory you can 'discover' anymore. All you can do is make ******** up theory like polytonics and crazy s**t like that. Everything that makes sense in music has been explained. Now people are just discovering theory that explains why slamming your d**k against the keyboard really hard can be construed as a 'brilliant and innovating.'

[BLASTEN PASTYAH]

Where did I put that damn microscope...

[Asphalt Lion]

Brass Scherzo

Basically what you've got here is just a massive list of intervals.

The relative minor of a key is based on the sixth scale degree of the major key. Thus, C major's relative minor is A minor (the C major scale being C D E F G A B C). A major sixth above A yields an F#, which in turn yields a D# (not an Eb like you've got there. Yes I realize they're the same note, but I'm being technical and that's what it would be called.)

Okay, so that's your first chart, a 'circle of sixths' or something if you will. Now going down diagonally and to the right from the starting note of C, you get Bb, which is a major sixth and a semitone away, also known as a minor seventh. Now, as you've probably noticed, as you go down this chart, each note is lower by a semitone. A semitone below a minor seventh is going to put you back at a major sixth, which is going to put you right back at the beginning.

Your "up and to the right" chart gives a major sixth above minus a semitone, which is a minor sixth. Up and to the right from this chart gives you the circle of fifths because a semitone below a minor sixth is a perfect fifth.

Long story short, your chart and its derivatives is going to give you some variant on intervals of a major sixth. As you move up and down on the chart, you're adding and subtracting semitones from that interval because the original chart is arranged with each row being a semitone apart.

So, no, you haven't discovered anything new, sorry. But, you do now have access to a handy chart of intervals!

I hope this all made sense.

A handy chart is better than nothing. x]
Thanks for the explanation.